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Stephan van Hulst wrote:I'm not sure about the grammar, but I think the following reads easier: "The speakers only need to be loud enough so all the people in the room will be able to hear."
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No, it is grammatically incorrect in the use of “so”.Paul Anilprem wrote:"The speakers only need to be so loud as all the people in the room are able to hear."
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Campbell Ritchie wrote:No, it is grammatically incorrect in the use of “so”.
The speakers only need to be as loud as all the people in the room are able to hear.
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Paul Anilprem wrote:My understanding was that "as xxx as" implies that both the sides are comparable. For example, "Sears tower is as big as Empire State". But obviously, here, only speakers are loud, not the people.
Is this understanding incorrect?
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It is not the listeners you are comparing it with, but their ability to hear (=auditory threshold). Stephan's suggestion is still better.Paul Anilprem wrote: . . . only speakers are loud, not the people.
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Campbell Ritchie wrote:
It is not the listeners you are comparing it with, but their ability to hear (=auditory threshold). Stephan's suggestion is still better.Paul Anilprem wrote: . . . only speakers are loud, not the people.
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The speakers only need to be loud enough so all that the people in the room will be able to hear."
The secret of how to be miserable is to constantly expect things are going to happen the way that they are "supposed" to happen.
You can have faith, which carries the understanding that you may be disappointed. Then there's being a willfully-blind idiot, which virtually guarantees it.
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Paul Anilprem wrote:Is the use of "so" incorrect in this variation as well? "The speakers were so loud that they burst people's ears."
If this is correct, then isn't original sentence merely an extension of the same logic, "The speakers only need to be so loud as all the people in the room are able to hear."?
The secret of how to be miserable is to constantly expect things are going to happen the way that they are "supposed" to happen.
You can have faith, which carries the understanding that you may be disappointed. Then there's being a willfully-blind idiot, which virtually guarantees it.
Paul Anilprem wrote:...
The following two seem to be the best options so far:
"The speakers only need to be loud enough so all that the people in the room will be able to hear."
"The speakers only need to be loud enough for all the people in the room to (be able to) hear them"
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