Shristi Gautam wrote:Can I do ocp 8 certification after OCA 7 or I will have to give OCA 8 before that?
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Shristi Gautam wrote:Can I do ocp 8 certification after OCA 7 or I will have to give OCA 8 before that?
K. Tsang wrote:If you already have OCAJP7 then you should do OCPJP7 then upgrade to 8 later.
nick woodward wrote:
in other words, who is really going to be concerned about a candidate with OCA/P 8 vs OCA/P7?
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nick woodward wrote:in other words, who is really going to be concerned about a candidate with OCA/P 8 vs OCA/P7?
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Paul Anilprem wrote:Lambdas are the in-thing in Java right now and present a good opportunity for the candidate to impress the employer.
Paul Anilprem wrote:I just don't see any good reason for a candidate to take an old certification when a newer one is available. There is little scope for you to spin it positively in an interview.
Jeanne Boyarsky wrote:I think you should take the exam you paid for already! The difference between no certification and having one is WAY bigger than 7 vs 8.
Roel De Nijs wrote:
I totally disagree (based on my personal experiences)! In interviews during my carreer (both employee and freelance), I got very few questions about my certifications. And if I got a question, it was a technical one (to verify I'm not lying about the certification), not about why I decided to take OCAJP7 (while OCAJP8 was already available). And if you really should get the question to ask why you are OCPJP7 (and not OCPJP8) certified, you could easily reply: "When I decided to get certified, the OCAJP8 was just released and therefore only study guides existed for the OCAJP7 existed. So I chose for the OCAJP7 certification. Some months later I started my preparation for the OCPJP7 exam and although the OCPJP8 was already released too, Oracle doesn't allow to combine different version certifications so I had to choose for the OCPJP7 exam. As a developer you need to keep studying and improving your knowledge on a daily basis, so I'll be happy to take the upgrade to OCPJP8 exam". And you'll have aced that question!
Kind regards,
Roel
nick woodward wrote:but in my position, with an OCA7 exam (booked by credit card, not voucher), and little experience, does it seem worth pushing it back for java 8? i'm getting high 80s on enthuware 7 now, i'm not sure if it's worth the extra time and hassle to go for 8.
Roel De Nijs wrote:
Paul Anilprem wrote:Lambdas are the in-thing in Java right now and present a good opportunity for the candidate to impress the employer.
True! But if they keep developing using Java 7, your Lamdas knowledge is not very useful as you can't use it.
nick woodward wrote:
this is what i was thinking on balance - at my level, i don't think its much of an issue. if i was starting out, or midway, i'd go for 8. but for now i don't think it really matters.
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nick woodward wrote:
Jeanne Boyarsky wrote:I think you should take the exam you paid for already! The difference between no certification and having one is WAY bigger than 7 vs 8.
are you sure? there's a certain book i would definitely buy for the OCA 8
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Jeanne Boyarsky wrote:
nick woodward wrote:
Jeanne Boyarsky wrote:I think you should take the exam you paid for already! The difference between no certification and having one is WAY bigger than 7 vs 8.
are you sure? there's a certain book i would definitely buy for the OCA 8
And that's how you know my advice isn't biased .
Seriously, though. You've already started studying. You've already booked the exam. I think you should use your momentum and pass the OCA 7.
I do think you should learn about Java 8 lambdas/functional programming, but you can do that separately from the exam. ("Java 8 for the Really Impatient" is a great book!)
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Roel De Nijs wrote:
nick woodward wrote:but in my position, with an OCA7 exam (booked by credit card, not voucher), and little experience, does it seem worth pushing it back for java 8? i'm getting high 80s on enthuware 7 now, i'm not sure if it's worth the extra time and hassle to go for 8.
Definitely not! Although you could probably easily cancel your exam and rebook and OCA8 exam, you should take the exam where you feel the most comfortable with. And if that's OCAJP7, you should definitely go for that one. No doubt!
PS. Nice to see you are hitting high 80s on Enthuware
Jeanne Boyarsky wrote:
nick woodward wrote:
Jeanne Boyarsky wrote:I think you should take the exam you paid for already! The difference between no certification and having one is WAY bigger than 7 vs 8.
are you sure? there's a certain book i would definitely buy for the OCA 8
And that's how you know my advice isn't biased .
Seriously, though. You've already started studying. You've already booked the exam. I think you should use your momentum and pass the OCA 7.
I do think you should learn about Java 8 lambdas/functional programming, but you can do that separately from the exam. ("Java 8 for the Really Impatient" is a great book!)
Paul Anilprem wrote:Really? you want to go with that reason? you are basically saying that you can't learn something if there is no prepackaged, ready to eat, explained in an easy to understand fashion, material available even though there are tons of articles and tutorials about it. Interviewer is thinking, what are you going to do if some problem comes up? Will you need hand holding or you can take it head on?
nick woodward wrote:also, you're OCP book is out now isn't it? how obvious is the definition between 7 and 8? I've K&B's book, and will get mala's new one, but wouldn't mind another reference - have always liked your explanations.
nick woodward wrote:also, you're OCP book is out now isn't it? how obvious is the definition between 7 and 8? I've K&B's book, and will get mala's new one, but wouldn't mind another reference - have always liked your explanations.
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Paul Anilprem wrote:
You might want to see how it plays out in an interview -
You : I just took and passed OCAJP 7 certification?
Interviewer: Oh really? That's great. So know about lambdas then...
You: No, unfortunately 7 doesn't cover lambdas.
I'viewer: Oh, so why didn't you take OCA8?
You: No study guide for the exam was available for it
Really? you want to go with that reason? you are basically saying that you can't learn something if there is no prepackaged, ready to eat, explained in an easy to understand fashion, material available even though there are tons of articles and tutorials about it. Interviewer is thinking, what are you going to do if some problem comes up? Will you need hand holding or you can take it head on?
The only saving grace here would be if the new version came out may be within a few weeks of you taking the older version.
nick woodward wrote:
Paul Anilprem wrote:
You might want to see how it plays out in an interview -
You : I just took and passed OCAJP 7 certification?
Interviewer: Oh really? That's great. So know about lambdas then...
You: No, unfortunately 7 doesn't cover lambdas.
I'viewer: Oh, so why didn't you take OCA8?
You: No study guide for the exam was available for it
Really? you want to go with that reason? you are basically saying that you can't learn something if there is no prepackaged, ready to eat, explained in an easy to understand fashion, material available even though there are tons of articles and tutorials about it. Interviewer is thinking, what are you going to do if some problem comes up? Will you need hand holding or you can take it head on?
The only saving grace here would be if the new version came out may be within a few weeks of you taking the older version.
i understand what you're getting at, but this scenario seems to exclude me actually learning java 8 features outside the scope of certification - which i'd be happy to do.
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nick woodward wrote:And yes, I read the beginning of K&B and heard you'd contributed a lot to the second half especially. I look forward to it.
nick woodward wrote:edit: thanks for the explanation Roel!
Roel De Nijs wrote:
nick woodward wrote:And yes, I read the beginning of K&B and heard you'd contributed a lot to the second half especially. I look forward to it.
Heard? Do you have a talking study guide? That definitely must be a very unique (expensive) edition
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Jeanne Boyarsky wrote:Screenreaders can make any book talk .
Roel De Nijs wrote:
Jeanne Boyarsky wrote:Screenreaders can make any book talk .
Hmm, I didn't consider them as I have never used them. I doubt if a screenreader is very useful for a certification study guide (or other technical book) due to all those code snippets...
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