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Does OS X still support Java?

Michael Roberts
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Note this thread was split off from Michael's original question about submitting a Java app to the app store.

[This thread was not written by Michael - it is a placeholder for the split off thread.]
William P O'Sullivan
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You might be interested to know that Apple is currently removing Java from it's OS.

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Bear Bibeault
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William P O'Sullivan wrote:You might be interested to know that Apple is currently removing Java from it's [sic] OS.

False.

Apple no longer creates the Java implementation as of Java 7, Oracle does. Java is no longer automatically installed with the OS, but using anything that references Java causes the installation to be automatically triggered.

That's a far cry from "removing Java" as if Java can no longer be used on OS X.

Please don't post uninformed or incomplete information as if it were fact.


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William P O'Sullivan
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Bear,

All I said was that in default OSX installations Java is removed.

How many users of the OPs app will have to install Oracles JRE to run his or anyone's application in the future.

http://appleinsider.com/articles/12/10/16/software-update-removes-apple-provided-java-applet-plug-in

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Bear Bibeault
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William P O'Sullivan wrote:All I said was that in default OSX installations Java is removed.

Read what I wrote again. It's not removed, just not installed by default.

How many users of the OPs app will have to install Oracles JRE to run his or anyone's application in the future.

None. The installation is triggered on first use automatically.

And an article about applet plugins in the browser has nothing at all to do with running Java applications. Applets != applications. Figurative apples and oranges.
William P O'Sullivan
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All I'm saying, is that even if the OPs app is accepted to the App Store,
users may have to follow additional steps in order to get it to run.

The OP should include instructions on how to accomplish these.

IMHO, Apple is trying to kill anything it doesn't own, ala Flash, and now Java.

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Bear Bibeault
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Hogwash. Apple is not trying to kill off Java. They, very rightly, decided that Oracle was best positioned to create the Java implementation, just as it does for the other major platforms. They went out of their way to do so when Sun would not. Doesn't sound like "trying to kill it" to me.

And bringing the Flash strawman fallacy into the conversation just discredits your stance.
Bear Bibeault
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William P O'Sullivan wrote:All I'm saying, is that even if the OPs app is accepted to the App Store,
users may have to follow additional steps in order to get it to run.

That's not even close to what you originally said. I quote:
William P O'Sullivan wrote:You might be interested to know that Apple is currently removing Java from it's [sic] OS.

Not the same.

William P O'Sullivan wrote:The OP should include instructions on how to accomplish these.

Agreed: "If a dialog appears asking if you want to install Java in order to use this application, click OK".
Pat Farrell
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Bear Bibeault wrote:Agreed: "If a dialog appears asking if you want to install Java in order to use this application, click OK".


Vering wildly OT, instructions such as this make me shudder. Its teaching the user to blindly install malware. Consider if the wording was:

"If a dialog appears asking you to install an application that you have never heard of, click OK"
Bear Bibeault
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I would assume that is in the context of the rest of the installation instructions. The point being: "it ain't complicated!"
 
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