Originally posted by Pranav Jaidka:
Jason in case you missed this out ...let me say this again
One you of said that I am supporting this Violence...because i did not say anything against it.......Seriously man get a life . I thought I would not have to criticize it explicitly to make you understand. But for your sake .....its WRONG WRONG WRONG.
Originally posted by Jason Menard:
...justifying an action is the same as supporting it...So while you might not support the methods, you support the cause...
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Originally posted by Jason Menard:
Or more mildly, "Well of course killing those innocent people was bad, but the US brought it upon themselves with their foreign policy". Justification is provided in the form of excuses for murderous actions.
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Originally posted by Mapraputa Is:
Jason, what do you think about this sentence:
"of course killing those innocent people was bad, but this horror doesn't make US foreign policy any more right"
"Thanks to Indian media who has over the period of time swiped out intellectual taste from mass Indian population." - Chetan Parekh
"Thanks to Indian media who has over the period of time swiped out intellectual taste from mass Indian population." - Chetan Parekh
ME
I imagine it does not. The religious practice I was raised in does, or did. I don't need to look to the problems of Hinduism to find problems with religious practice; the culture I was raised in has plenty of its own, as far as I'm concerned. I would also guess what's written in the Gita says nothing about treating some people like s***, but such practices are kept in the name of Hinduism, anyway, aren't they? It hardly matters what the specifics are.
Pakka
These communities have taken the Hindu tolerance for granted. We want them to just LEAVE US ALONE.
pakka
They can easily verify my claims, just the way I did it for myself. I have lived in 5 states in India, from New Delhi to Tamilnadu and I have the first hand information about this.
Pranav
The violence in India you see nowadays is not religious .Its more political and I think everyone in India including the victims know that.
pakka
do you not agree that Muslims have had a long history of destroying Hindu temples and building their Mosques there? Well, they are unable to do that now but there basic tendency is the same. Their mullahs preach that Hindus are kafirs.
Jason
I also don't see how pointing out faults in one country leads to a solution to a problem in another country.
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For one, you might be truly worried about the welfare of the poor. Government actions against NGOs, constant dismissal of the poor as being unable to look after their own interests as if they are but children, and the comments such as those made here that urge the missionaries to leave the country and take their aid with them (particularly disturbing since the people saying this get no benefit from the aid), show that this is not the case. So since there is no legitimate concern for the welfare of the poor, this concern is invalid.
"Thanks to Indian media who has over the period of time swiped out intellectual taste from mass Indian population." - Chetan Parekh
Originally posted by Pakka Desi:
I never said there are no other problems. We definitely have to work on them and we are.
"Thanks to Indian media who has over the period of time swiped out intellectual taste from mass Indian population." - Chetan Parekh
Blah blah blah.........
Because really you people are coming off sounding very similar to Nazis, Muslim extremists, and other supremacist movements.
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Originally posted by Jason Menard:
So show us some evidence to back up your claims of these wide scale and systemic activities that are supposedly taking place in the name of Christianity.
"Thanks to Indian media who has over the period of time swiped out intellectual taste from mass Indian population." - Chetan Parekh
Originally posted by Thomas Paul:
Sounds like the guy has a nice little scam going on. So why does this bother you?
Originally posted by Jason Menard:
To piggy back on what Thomas said, we also have people who go door-to-door looking for converts, or walk the streets (or airports) looking to convince people to give their particular brand of religion a try. I've seen this behaivor in Europe and Japan as well. Do we feel offended or threatened? No, we simply politely tell them we're not interested and have a nice day, or take them up on their offer to read their literature or attend their Church. It's simple really.
Originally posted by Pranav Jaidka:
Rufus : India being a screwed up country ???
Is that the reason its one of 7 nuclear capable nations and only one of 3-4 nations with their own sattellites around the Earth ..and only the 3rd(Im not sure about that) nation which I assume will put a man on the moon in the next few years.
Give credit where its due. I as an Indian accept the faults where they are .
Originally posted by Axel Janssen:
O.k. missionaires are like salespeople. They think in selling their thing. But maybe it helps some of the poor to have better living. New perspectives through religion change.
If you want an open culture, why don't you just accept it?
I'm just saying...it's right there!
When muslims living in US can say "In God we trust" in schools and other places, why the hell Muslims and Christians have a problem in saying "Vande Mataram"?
Every year, Indian government spends ton of foreign exchange to sponcer Haz travels of Muslims in India. I ask, why the hell??? Even after doing that Muslims are not happy. Which developed country does that??? Tomorrow, they'll start sponcering Vatican travel for Christians!!!And what do they do for Hindus? NOTHING. They started providing security to Amarnath travel (which is in India itself, BTW) only after the terrorist menace.
Originally posted by Sameer Jamal:
I am Indian first then muslim and I've no problem in saying "Vande Matram " I say it from my heart but when a person like u and Bal Thakrey say that you have to say "Vande Matram" if you want to live in this country then I will say nobody can force me(like forced conversion).
I'm just saying...it's right there!
Originally posted by Sameer Jamal:
Then why r u blaming muslim or christian why not the policies of govt of India ?
I'm just saying...it's right there!
Originally posted by Ravish Kumar:
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Just ask yourself, why you are christian? Just becasue your parents where christian.
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Originally posted by Michael Ernest:
I'm not a Christian other than by baptismal record, Ravish.
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Geez, all this time I've been talking, I get the idea you aren't listening at all, but simply waiting for some statement you can go off on.
Originally posted by Amitabh Sharma:
i dont think that people of minorities are any less or more patriotic than the majority. Even though it sounds dramatic but it is in the human nature to love the land in which he was born. For example, even decades after moving to foreign countries and settling down there immigrants keep alive ties to the country of their birth. Even if they may have hated 1000 things about the country they left but they can never give up on it.
So those in hindus in india who question the patriotism of muslims are wrong. I feel it is a crime to do so.
I'm just saying...it's right there!
Originally posted by Jason Menard:
A lot of good stuff.
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Originally posted by Mapraputa Is:
My point was that the first part of this kind of sentences and the second are orthogonal
it is possible to dislike Christian missionaries and/or what they are doing, and yet be strictly against killing them.
What they are oppose to, is your apparent attemps to prevent anybody from expressing their dislike of Christian missionaries activities on the ground that this means justification of acts of
violence against missionaries.
I hope I did not create more confusion. :roll:
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