Manas<br />Today If You are not Confused,You are just not thinking Clearly !<br />---------------------------------
The soul is dyed the color of its thoughts. Think only on those things that are in line with your principles and can bear the light of day. The content of your character is your choice. Day by day, what you do is who you become. Your integrity is your destiny - it is the light that guides your way. - Heraclitus
Manas<br />Today If You are not Confused,You are just not thinking Clearly !<br />---------------------------------
Manas<br />Today If You are not Confused,You are just not thinking Clearly !<br />---------------------------------
The soul is dyed the color of its thoughts. Think only on those things that are in line with your principles and can bear the light of day. The content of your character is your choice. Day by day, what you do is who you become. Your integrity is your destiny - it is the light that guides your way. - Heraclitus
Originally posted by manas ahlaad:
ilja,
good work.
keep going !
manas
The soul is dyed the color of its thoughts. Think only on those things that are in line with your principles and can bear the light of day. The content of your character is your choice. Day by day, what you do is who you become. Your integrity is your destiny - it is the light that guides your way. - Heraclitus
Originally posted by Ilja Preuss:
Manas, in my experience it is best when process issues are self-imposed by a team (as opposed to imposed on the team by a manager/document/something else outside the team). There doesn't need to be an authority forcing the team to work a specific way if the team *wants* to work that way.
Originally posted by Mark Milan:
What you are describing here sounds like a team buying in to a particular process because they chose it (I could be interpreting you incorrectly).
Unfortunately, the reality is that some organizations require a certain process to be followed, for whatever reason (standard compliance?).
Some customers may not particularly like the idea of not having milestones, especially one that says "Product Delivered".
In Manas' case, having a Development Process that includes milestones/phases/requirements/etc is (IMO) a good thing
The soul is dyed the color of its thoughts. Think only on those things that are in line with your principles and can bear the light of day. The content of your character is your choice. Day by day, what you do is who you become. Your integrity is your destiny - it is the light that guides your way. - Heraclitus
Originally posted by Mark Milan:
Ilja, Thanks for agreeing with my thoughts
I remember a good example (perhaps given by Ilya?)
Because the customer had actually included design in the requirements (failing to separate Analysis & Design), much time was wasted over how all the 200+ screens would look, rather than looking at the problem of "a web based system to (easily) do XX".
The question is - "how to introduce RUP?". Remember that RUP is a commercial version of UP, which comes with a whole bunch of costly tools. In the interests of Agile & XP, is this the "best" solution?
Perhaps the questions to be asked of Manas' organization are: "What Process Currently Exists", "What Process Should Be Instituted", and "What Tools Will Help Conform With The Process". The question as it stands seems to have eliminated the analysis portion.
I'm not knocking RUP and the CC toolset (there are other who can do a better job than I ), but if your dogma/mantra is XP, then is RUP right for you?
The soul is dyed the color of its thoughts. Think only on those things that are in line with your principles and can bear the light of day. The content of your character is your choice. Day by day, what you do is who you become. Your integrity is your destiny - it is the light that guides your way. - Heraclitus
Originally posted by Ilja Preuss (originally posted by me!):
In the interests of Agile & XP, is this the "best" solution?
The secret of how to be miserable is to constantly expect things are going to happen the way that they are "supposed" to happen.
You can have faith, which carries the understanding that you may be disappointed. Then there's being a willfully-blind idiot, which virtually guarantees it.
The secret of how to be miserable is to constantly expect things are going to happen the way that they are "supposed" to happen.
You can have faith, which carries the understanding that you may be disappointed. Then there's being a willfully-blind idiot, which virtually guarantees it.
I brought this back from the farm where they grow the tiny ads:
a bit of art, as a gift, the permaculture playing cards
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