Originally posted by Peter Johnson:
I am running Ubuntu at home and Fedora at work. In my opinion, of the two, Fedora has a slight advantage for development. Mainly because Fedora, during installation, will offer to set up various services (HTTPD, MySQL, Sunversion server, etc.) which I tend to use in my development work. In addition, such services can be easily added later using the Add/Remove Apps GUI.
In Ubuntu, you must use the command line to install such things (they are not available during install nor are they available in the Add/Remove Apps GUI). Not that there is anything wrong installing from the command line, but it just goes to point out that Ubuntu is primarily intended to be an end-user distro (for example, getting MP3 support into Ubuntu is worlds easier that on Fedora, but that is more of an end-user thing than a developer thing). But to install things from the command line you need to know the package names which means googling or searching - definitely a lot more work than what Fedora requires to install such services.
Originally posted by Mark Spritzler:
I really haven't quite figured out what the differences are between Ubuntu or Fedora.
Originally posted by Peter Johnson:
In Ubuntu, you must use the command line to install such things (they are not available during install nor are they available in the Add/Remove Apps GUI).
Originally posted by Pat Farrell:
The best distro to use is one that your buddy uses, so you can buy him a beer when he helps you.
This is simply untrue. Perhaps you should use Ubuntu a bit more before you offer comments, they have no basis.
Hmm, actually I installed Tomcat, Apache2, Subversion all through Synaptic GUI Installer that comes with Ubuntu, and MySql is also listed there, but I installed Postgres instead
Originally posted by Peter Johnson:
Well, excuse me for offering my opinion and experiences; they are obviously not welcomed. But when I look at the Adept Installer GUI, the items I mentioned are not listed. But then again, I am using Kubuntu, not Ubuntu, but it sure surprises me that the GUI installers would show totally different sets of packages between the two repackagings of essentially the same distro.]
Originally posted by Peter Johnson:
Thank you, Mark. Turns out that Synaptic is not installed by default on Kubuntu and I have been googling for months on how to get server packages to show up in the Adept Installer GUI, but all I ever found was how to install such packages using apt-get. Synaptic provides what I was looking for and more closely matches what Fedora provides.
[ September 07, 2008: Message edited by: Peter Johnson ]
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Originally posted by Peter Johnson:
But when I look at the Adept Installer GUI, the items I mentioned are not listed.
Originally posted by Peter Johnson:
But when I look at the Adept Installer GUI, the items I mentioned are not listed.
Originally posted by Mark Spritzler:
I wonder if you could "apt-get install synaptic" Because both Guis are X-windows correct?
Originally posted by Jesper Young:
I haven't used Fedora for long, but as far as I know it is harder to install Sun Java 5 or 6 on it - you cannot get it through Fedora's package management system, because they have a strict "it has to be 100% open source / free software" policy, which Sun Java 5 or 6 isn't - so it's not in Fedora's package repository.
The secret of how to be miserable is to constantly expect things are going to happen the way that they are "supposed" to happen.
You can have faith, which carries the understanding that you may be disappointed. Then there's being a willfully-blind idiot, which virtually guarantees it.
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Originally posted by Yves Zoundi:
All the graphical tools you'll be using are just front-ends to apt-get command line.
Originally posted by Yves Zoundi:
Instead of showing couple of screenshots all the time with many explanations, they tell you which command line to use to perform a task. While you use Adept, someone else on Ubuntu might be using synaptic or any other GUI, but what is sure is that you both have apt-get installed.
Originally posted by Stefan Wagner:
How do you do that on the commandline?
Originally posted by Peter Johnson:
So I guess one of the other posters was right - I should just shut up and go away because I don't know squat. Sigh.
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Originally posted by Puneet Soni:
I will recommend fedora or openSuse for you.
On the issue of ubuntu i will say that thou i agreee with the difference quality of ubuntu and suse but i will say that donot underestimate ubuntu.
"Computer science is no more about computers than astronomy is about telescopes" - Edsger Dijkstra
Originally posted by Rusty Shackleford:
I don't underestimate Ubuntu. It has a ton of potential, but right now it is doing more damage to desktop Linux adoption then MS is.
Originally posted by Pat Farrell:
Got any examples or specifics?
I think, IMHO, that Ubuntu is a bit overhyped, and their release schedule hurts critical stability, but I don't see how it has any real impact on desktop Linux acceptance or lack thereof.
"Computer science is no more about computers than astronomy is about telescopes" - Edsger Dijkstra
Originally posted by Rusty Shackleford:
Mainly empirical observation. People fed up with Windows, look at Linux, see that Ubuntu is the "best", gets frustrated, gives up, goes back to Windows forever disliking Linux.
"Computer science is no more about computers than astronomy is about telescopes" - Edsger Dijkstra
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