"As to why I left, it's difficult to answer: just about anything I could say that would be accurate and honest would do more harm than good," he wrote.
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Ernest Friedman-Hill wrote:That said, the symbolic value is significant. .... and that vacuum is an opportunity that the big players are unlikely to squander.
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Jeanne Boyarsky wrote: I think the strength of a language (or JVM) is that there is only one standard.
"As to why I left, it's difficult to answer: just about anything I could say that would be accurate and honest would do more harm than good," he wrote.
Cameron Wallace McKenzie wrote:My (@Cameron) Column on James' Frustration with JCP on TheServerSide.com
Manish Hatwalne wrote:if you're an organization planning a product that heavily relies on these technologies?
Any insights?
This is actually getting scary. Top management at Sun India quit last week and now Gosling makes it official. Like everyone, I am also wondering what does it signify for Java? Moreover, wondering what would Oracle do to the future of Java (for that matter to MySQL as well).
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Cameron Wallace McKenzie wrote:
Manish Hatwalne wrote:if you're an organization planning a product that heavily relies on these technologies?
Any insights?
This isn't like Mick Jagger leaving The Rolling Stones. This is more like a key manager that was integral in getting the stones to where they are today leaving. The impact at the beginning may have been huge, but at this point, Java is a machine that moves ahead with its own momentum, and there is no, one, single key figure that can make or break it anymore. So, you can continue to plan on Java, just like you can continue to buy tickets to the Rolling Stones when they come to town. Both are solid investments.
Of course, with that said, it doesn't make it any less sad to see James, or even a good manager for The Rolling Stones, leave.
@Pat - That's the most depressing thing I've ever read.
Manish Hatwalne wrote:one can't help but feel concerned about how Oracle treats Java.
Pat Farrell wrote:I fully expect Oracle to abandon, ignore, or otherwise forget about Java. I don't expect them to officially kill it, but I don't expect them to keep doing all the engineering effort that Sun did.
Pat Farrell wrote:
Manish Hatwalne wrote:one can't help but feel concerned about how Oracle treats Java.
I fully expect Oracle to abandon, ignore, or otherwise forget about Java. I don't expect them to officially kill it, but I don't expect them to keep doing all the engineering effort that Sun did.
Gregg Bolinger wrote: What does Oracle have that doesn't require Java that they can make money with? Aside from their DB?
Pat Farrell wrote:I could be wrong, but I don't see Oracle having the deep commitment. Oracle has lots of tools to sell, and if a client doesn't like Java, they will happily sell you consulting services (at really high prices) using any tool you like
Gregg Bolinger wrote: Their middleware is java based and their development tools are java based.
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Jeanne Boyarsky wrote:IBM et al will be happy to do it for them.
Manish Hatwalne wrote:Obviously, Java is *not* dying at all!
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Pat Farrell wrote:
Manish Hatwalne wrote:one can't help but feel concerned about how Oracle treats Java.
I'm not at all concerned. Oracle bought Sun for its hardware (or to be able to bid hardware against IBM and DB2, and for MySql which was attacking Oracle from the low end. I will bet a beer that Java didn't even enter into Oracle's thinking.
I fully expect Oracle to abandon, ignore, or otherwise forget about Java. I don't expect them to officially kill it, but I don't expect them to keep doing all the engineering effort that Sun did.
Cameron Wallace McKenzie wrote:Java is a machine that moves ahead with its own momentum, and there is no, one, single key figure that can make or break it anymore.
Manish Hatwalne wrote:This is actually getting scary. Top management at Sun India quit last week and now Gosling makes it official. Like everyone, I am also wondering what does it signify for Java? Moreover, wondering what would Oracle do to the future of Java (for that matter to MySQL as well).
What do you guys think? How would you react to this news if you're an organization planning a product that heavily relies on these technologies?
Any insights?
Pat Farrell wrote:"After more than 4 years C is back at position number 1 in the TIOBE index. The scores for C have been pretty constant through the years, varying between the 15% and 20% market share for almost 10 years. So the main reason for C's number 1 position is not C's uprise, but the decline of its competitor Java. Java has a long-term downward trend. It is losing ground to other languages running on the JVM. An example of such a language is JavaFX script that is now approaching the top 20."