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Hi All,

I am new to eclipse and I recently bought the "Java developers guide to eclipse" but this new book "Eclipse Live" covers the latest version of Eclipse. Should I return my book and get the latter? Helpful suggestions would be much appreciated.

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Do you return your car for a refund if a new model is released a few weeks later?
 
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Hi Anushe,

I'm a little biased :-) The book you already have is a very good reference and has lots of good information. It also covers the API's for building plugins wihch Eclipse 3 Live does not. But as you point out the book is focused on version 2.0 and 3.0 is going to ship any day now. I think you can get a lot from your current book.

The cool thing about the Source Beat model (and the Eclipse 3 Live title) is that the book will always be up to date. I started writing it just as M7 came out and I've added almost 100 pages since then. I'll be adding the last chapter on refactoring this month and then I'm going to do a whole refresh of the book to get every example to look like the final released version of 3.0.

After the July update I'll be either adding more detail to several of the chapters (2 in particular) or I'll be adding a chapter on doing J2EE development with MyEclipse and other plugins. And the really great thing is that I will decide which to do based on reader feedback. So you can help decide the direction of the book!

You can see if you like my writing style by checking out the link in my sig to 'Eclipse 3 Live' and downloading a free chapter.

Hope this helps!
 
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Originally posted by Bill Dudney:

The cool thing about the Source Beat model (and the Eclipse 3 Live title) is that the book will always be up to date. I started writing it just as M7 came out and I've added almost 100 pages since then. I'll be adding the last chapter on refactoring this month and then I'm going to do a whole refresh of the book to get every example to look like the final released version of 3.0.

After the July update I'll be either adding more detail to several of the chapters (2 in particular) or I'll be adding a chapter on doing J2EE development with MyEclipse and other plugins.



So is it like the next printing of the book will be with more additional chapters? I am eager to know how frequent the book is updated in such way? Every two months? Three months? I've never seen such kind of updating approach before...
 
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Hi Ko Ko,

Yes, that is whats so cool about Source Beat (SB), its a whole new model. The book is published electronically (i.e. PDF) and you have the right to print it if you want, and I believe that they have come up with a way that you can order a bound hard copy from the site for a fee.

The way SB works is you pay for a years subscription. Over the year the book is updated 12 times and you get an email after each update is complete letting you know a new version is ready to download.
 
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Hi Bill,

I find your book a good one.
For how long period of time are sourcebeat authors contracted to deliver aditional chapters?

Axel
 
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Originally posted by Bill Dudney:
Hi Ko Ko,
The way SB works is you pay for a years subscription. Over the year the book is updated 12 times and you get an email after each update is complete letting you know a new version is ready to download.



Oh, it's pretty high updating rate... It seems the reader of such series should be the one who want to follow the most updated features of a certain technology all the time... Anyway, such kinda approach is interesting as well...
 
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Hi Axel,

Originally posted by Axel Janssen:
I find your book a good one.



Thanks! I'm honored!

Originally posted by Axel Janssen:
For how long period of time are sourcebeat authors contracted to deliver aditional chapters?



The contract is initially for one year but the expectation is that we will 'own' the title that we have signed up to write about as long as we wish to after the year is up.

I plan to 'own' Eclipse 3 Live for the full year then when Eclipse 4 M1 or M2 ships I'd like to start writing 'Eclipse 4 Live' to cover all the new and cool stuff that is bound to be added.

Please let me know if I've not answered the question fully enough. And thanks again for your complements!
 
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Originally posted by Ko Ko Naing:


Oh, it's pretty high updating rate... It seems the reader of such series should be the one who want to follow the most updated features of a certain technology all the time... Anyway, such kinda approach is interesting as well...



Hi Ko Ko,

The book will remain focused on Eclipse 3.x (I'm expecting that there will be a 3.1 release before 4.0 is released). So think of it instead of 'always being updated all the time' as 'the most complete reference on a certan technology'. Eclipse 3 Live for example will have 9 chapters by early July then I will update the whole book to make sure all the examples and screen shots match the 3.0 final release. That means that anything that has changed with Eclipse since 3.0 M7 will be updated to reflect the 3.0 final release. Then I will start to expand the current coverage of the 3.0 feature set. As an example in 3.0 M7 there were no date tags for CVS (at least no UI for them). In 3.0 M9 the Eclipse team added the ability to create a date 'tag' and use that as the means of checking out from the repository.

I hope this makes sense. The book is not necessarlly for those that update thier Eclipse instalation every two weeks. The book is focused on helping people get the most out of Eclipse 3.0. Now that 3.0 is about to ship the updates will be focused on adding chapters to cover additional material that the readers (and potential readers) want covered.

Hope this helps!
 
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Bill,
Just to check I'm understanding the sourcebeat model correctly: you buy a one years subscription to download/print instead of a physical book.
 
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Thanks Bill!
 
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Hi Jeanne,

That is correct. You buy a one years subscription and you get the book and 12 updates. At the end of the year you might decide you are done and not want to re-subscribe. Your call. But for $30 dollars you get a book that does not go stale. Esp important in my mind for open source tech like Eclipse that changes every other week just about :-)

Thanks & Hope this helps!
 
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Originally posted by Jeanne Boyarsky:
Bill,
Just to check I'm understanding the sourcebeat model correctly: you buy a one years subscription to download/print instead of a physical book.



Yes, Jeanne, as Mr.Bill just said

The book is published electronically (i.e. PDF) and you have the right to print it if you want, and I believe that they have come up with a way that you can order a bound hard copy from the site for a fee.



It seems like we have to pay for a physical copy of the book everytime we want one, if we want a bound hard copy of the latest updated version of the book... I think this kinda SB approach is more suitable for those who like to read PDF E-book...
 
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Originally posted by Bill Dudney:
That is correct. You buy a one years subscription and you get the book and 12 updates. At the end of the year you might decide you are done and not want to re-subscribe.



Hi Mr.Bill,
So is it like we will get 12 hard copies(Not PDF) of the book for 30 dollars, if the book is updated with new contents for 12 times a year? If so, will it be worthful for the SB to send every hard copy to the subscriber, everytime the book is updated with new contents?

That's interesting...
 
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Originally posted by Ko Ko Naing:


Hi Mr.Bill,
So is it like we will get 12 hard copies(Not PDF) of the book for 30 dollars, if the book is updated with new contents for 12 times a year? If so, will it be worthful for the SB to send every hard copy to the subscriber, everytime the book is updated with new contents?

That's interesting...



Hi Ko Ko,

No you only get the PDF for $30, the printing of the book is for a fee (I know SB is/was working on this but I don't know any of the details).

Hope this helps!
 
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