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John M. Gabriele
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i was thinking how it would be great to learn java programming
right on a solaris box. i've heard that sun is giving away
it's OS for the download (about 800MB), but judging from the
website they want $75 to send you the cd's..?
i've looked at the bookstore but none of the solaris8 books
come with cd's.
is it really free? is the "binary license program" the name
of the idea to give away the "media kit" (aka solaris8)?
what's the scoop?
thanks!
 
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To quote sun.com it is provided 'For only the cost of media ($75 U.S.) plus shipping'. When they did the same thing for Solaris 7 it was some CDs for about $30 if I remember correctly. I still think it's good value at $75 anyway, and it's quite possible that more is included than just the 3 CDs that comprised Solaris 7. I don't see it as free, I see it as an extension of the 'educational' deals that are offered by many software houses. Reading the licence confirms that.
 
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thanks for the reply george,
i see what you mean about "educational deal" vs. free.
they likely provide manuals or extra software besides
solaris8 anyway.
>...I still think it's good value at $75 anyway...
thanks for the tip.
 
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Sun got two kinds of solaris 8, one is intel, one for sparc.
If you purchase it, it also come with oracle 8i.
 
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Solaris 7 didn't come with Oracle, but did include versions for both intel and sparc. So there you are, more software for more money with Solaris 8
 
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It looks like Sun are offering Solaris 8 as a free download now for people with faster connections such as DSL or cable modems. Check out this url if you have a fast connection:
http://www.sun.com/solaris/binaries/get.html
 
John M. Gabriele
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"That's a big download."
"Bite your head off man."
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800 MB seems like an inhumanly large download to me.
I bet it isn't included in the back of solaris books b/c
of a licensing issue.
i started this thread back before i tossed my M$ partition.
at the time, i wasn't sure whether to go with linux or
solaris. i didn't have much to go on then, so, since
no one said, "dude! you *must* get solaris. it beats the pants
off of linux.", i went ahead with mandrake7.2 linux.
linux seems like a pain b/c i don't know how to use it
properly (especially the multi-user stuff).
what i'm really waiting for is BeOS to get java support. it should
be quite soon now.
[This message has been edited by john gabriele (edited March 22, 2001).]
 
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If you're thinking about BeOS but the support for java is in the 'coming soon' category, where 'soon' is undefined and TBA, have you considered MacOS X ? That will have Java 2 support straight out of the box. I think it's being released about now too - some time this month. Admittedly MacOS isn't available for the x86 architecture but it is essentially NeXt-style UNIX under the transparent covers, with the dual options of a sophisticated gui and a command-line terminal. What's more, I suspect that the software base for the mac is substantially larger than the software base for BeOS. Which matters when you want lots of cool dev tools.
 
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yeah, OSX doesn't look so bad.
i used to have an imac but gave it to my inlaws (i was changing to intel
hardware to run beos and they needed a computer.)
>What's more, I suspect that the software base for the mac is
>substantially larger than the software base for BeOS. Which
>matters when you want lots of cool dev tools.
heh, i'm so new at this, i don't even know what cool dev tools are.
seriously tho, Be's got plenty of apps, and also a good following of bright
programmers willing to contribute all kinds of good stuff---it's just that
no one really knows where the os is going right now. The claims are that
java, opengl, and a new networking environment are all coming very soon now,
and the ogl and networking stuff are in beta right now.
there was an ad up on dice.com for a short while a couple of weeks ago.
BeInc posted it looking for people and it specifically said, "java is
coming to beos with a vengeance!"
 
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Originally posted by john gabriele:
i used to have an imac but gave it to my inlaws (i was changing to intel hardware to run beos and they needed a computer.)

It's a shame that you didn't have a different Mac, as BeOS is incompatible with Apple's new "G3" and "G4" systems, including the iMac and iBook. Compatible with many others though. I'm sure you know that early BeOS incarnations ran on Powermacs.
It looks to me like the BeOS transition to the Intel platform is well underway.
 
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george,
> It's a shame that you didn't have a different Mac...
nah... not really. support for ppc beos is dropping off and
will likely be gone soon.
>It looks to me like the BeOS transition to the Intel platform
>is well underway.
oh yeah, that's been together for a while now.
in case you don't know, they used to be called the "media OS".
they were actually in the business of producing an alternative
os.
about a year ago (forgive me, my memory stinks), they had
a "focus shift". they say they are no longer an os company,
instead they are an "internet appliance" company.
(see www.be.com if interested)
they've got a trimmed down version of beos called beia to run
on these internet appliances. it'll be on the new eVilla from
Sony.
beos is now considered the development environment for beia.
beia has something called personal java built into it. i suppose
the next step was/is to put java2 into beos---which i am, of
course, very excited about.
i don't know what other alternative os's support java2. i'd be
curious about amiga... i don't even know *what* they produce
now.
i'd also be interested in this "JavaOS". i've seen mention of
it in the java whitepapers but don't really know what it is,
if you can buy it, what it runs on... ?
i also saw something about Sun making java microchips that run
java programs in hardware (Java Real Machine as opposed to
Java Virtual Machine). any idea what state of affairs these
are in?
whoops, guess i'm getting a little off the original thread's
topic.
 
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Took me about 58 minutes to dl the 800 megs. And im on a choked up cable system in chicago. Sun's servers sure are fast.
 
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