Talk to your fellow religionist in Pakistan and Bangladesh.
But if I am not mistaken don't muslims have a concept of Ummah, in which they believe that all muslims of the world belong to one country?
As I said before, there cannot be any brainwashing if people are educated. Brainwashing happened before when foreign concepts/religions were shoved down the throat of uneducated people.
Even people educated in missionary schools support Sangh because they can now see through their gameplan.
And I think it would be in the best interest of Sameer and all other Indian muslims like him to take an avid interest in monitoring the growth of this segment.
For past 700 years, Indians (which were mostly Hindus, Buddhists, Jains) were constantly under attack from Islamic forces and then Christian forces.
It is the people who are intolearnt and aggresive not the religion.Another big problem is the inherent aggresiveness and intolerance of these religions
Hindu/Buddhism/Jain/Sikh (in one camp) and Islam/Christianity (in another camp). No wonder there are clashes. And no wonder there are clashes between Islam and Christainity. Even though both the religions (Islam and Christianity) talk about peace/respect for other religion etc., do they really practice it? I don't think so.
India invaded China in 1962 although the war
was ended badly for India. One regular army
division not only expelled several most elite
Indian brigades but also entered India for a short period of time.
The Chinese withdrew on its own.
Originally posted by <Mahatma Gandhi>:
in past,education mean humanity and knowledge.educated people in past pocessed humanity
also.now in india,for a mass educated people having only knowledge(no improvement in humanity and true charector due to education).they are only selfish people with some knowledge in some field,they aquired it for only better living.only these kind of selfish people joining in sangh parivar.a truely eduacated person can never think in communal way.
Originally posted by Pakka Desi
please get your facts straight before posting crap
Originally posted by ravish kumar
Why do you feel shame in accepting that at that time there was no better Hindu king to defeat and rule.
Originally posted by Pakka Desi
And don't use that name. You don't deserve it.
Originally posted by Sameer Jamal:
I know what Sankar,Pakka and people like them say are not their words they are just repeating what their fellow extremist in RSS are saying.
Originally posted by Sameer Jamal:
Same thing goes with Muslims also most of the muslim population is uneduated and what they say is the repetition of their religious extremist.
Originally posted by Sameer Jamal:
I think religious extremist always promote those things of other religion which provoke hatred so they can seperate the people and play the game of divide and rule there are many other things in Islam like people/person from other religion are same no religion is bad and like the meaning of Islam is itself Peace but I am sure you dont know about those things because you never learned about Islam what you are saying is what you have heared.
Originally posted by Sameer Jamal:
My dear friend this brainwashing is in the roots, try to think beyond that
Originally posted by Sameer Jamal:
If you have ever read the history then you should know that whenever there was attack in India it was due to the people and kings who were not united not due to the fact that Hindu religion always talk about peace and other religions are voilent.
Originally posted by Sameer Jamal:
It is the people who are intolearnt and aggresive not the religion.
Originally posted by Sameer Jamal:
These people are religious extremist and this is also the case with every religion which exist in this world, whoever is the extremist is always voilent whether they are the people from RSS or from Islamic coutries or Christians they all are same. Hindu religion also talk about peace what happened in Gujrat so I am not going to think that Hindus are voilent just because of those voilent extremist.
I'm just saying...it's right there!
Originally posted by Mahatma Gandhi:
what's wrong with me?.
is because that i got some humanity in this present age?.is because that my heart feel sad by seeing innocent people burned with fire alive?.is because that i am not a person who dont think in communal way?.is because that i am not believing the stories teached in sangh parivar branches?.is because that i am not holding 'trishool' and killng people born in minority religeons?.
doubt is increasing indian peoples eyes.a person looks other person with doubt.humen minds are getting isolated by communal toxins.humens are getting divided by religeon/cast basis.they were killing each other.some leaders of sangh parivar getting fruits from this situation.they are planning all things to boost this communal isolation.this is sad sad situation.as a good indian,i feel so sad.
I'm just saying...it's right there!
It is clear from your post that you are not even an Indian. Your post is just based on newpaper reports from NYTimes. I don't have any intention to respond to you.
Well, let me prove you wrong right away. People in Afghanistan were the same people in Buddhist times as well as in Islamic time. Why did the same people when they were muslims destryoed Buddhism completely there. Why did not the same people who were Budhhist before expand Buddhism to Iran etc. by force???
You may deny it for all your life, but there is definitely something there in Islam and Christianity that makes them aggresive and intolerant. History is a proof of that.
Why is it that throught out the history of Islam have muslims been extrimist. You show me one place in the world where Muslims lived peacefully with the existing religion (except India of course). And if you can't give any example the you have to accept that Islam in India is different from Islam in Saudi Arabia.
Sameer, You seem to think that all RSS people are against Muslims. I don't hate you. It is not about hate. It is about the rights. It is about taking what is rightfully ours.
You have not answered the question. Do they believe in it or not??
Or do you think that Ayodhya/Mathura/Kashi do not belong to Hindus? Is it so wrong to ask for just three places out of thousands that Muslims destroyed?
Well, why do you think so many educated people are with Sangh? I know of many highly educated people (IITians) people (pracharaks) who have not married and given away their plush jobs for Sangh. Why is that? Are they are fools? Is it very easy to brainwash so many educated people?
Sameer, You seem to think that all RSS people are against Muslims
Originnally posted by Pakka Desi
If I am blaming Muslims/British then I am giving the evidence and the reason.
Originnally posted by Pakka Desi
You show me one incident before independence when Hindu extremists did something like Gujrat. Or prove that Hindu extrimists even existed before independence.
Originally posted by Sameer Jamal:
This is what the poltician do they make people beleive in this theory, I dont say that this is not correct but you cant blame the present muslim community for what few muslims in the past have done(as ravish has already stated above). This issue should be solved in peace and harmony between the hindu and muslim peoples, not between the hindu and muslim extremist and polticians that is why this is still a issue and will never be solved.
I'm just saying...it's right there!
Originnally posted by Pakka Desi
I don't know what "mahatma" said. My questions were directed to you. You answer them. If you want to continue the debate, of course.
Originally posted by Ravish Kumar:
BTW if you regular visitors of such fanatic sites
Originally posted by Murasoli Maran:
before independence,you've agreed the fact that there were no communal violance.so when these communal riots started?.and what is the results of these communal riots?.who got power by isolating people?.BJP is now ruling india.they had only 2 seats in parleament before these communal riots.they thinked about getting power and found that communal isolation is best way to get power.so they made stories about babri-mosque and started injecting communal toxins in innocent people's minds.i never heard any story about babri masjid before 15-20 years.suddenly an issue like babri masjid raised.sangh parivar managed to make riots by using babri-mosque story and it's easy to isolate people after riots.they made a network
for brainwashing infedels.it's called RSS shakha(branch).in a RSS shakha they teached how
to use weapons to young followers.by using these followers,they made riots.they managed to isolate people according to religeon and using majority religeon's votes they got power.this is history.
now also they are playing all tactics to hold their power.they are making more riots for making more wounds in peoples minds and using that wounds to inject communal toxins to public.recently in gujarat,more than 2000 people were burn in fire alive.
muslims and christiens are living with fear in india in some states.hindu extreamists are killing them by asking their names.
very recently sangh parivar burned 2 christien missionaries with fire.for what reason??
it's very funny to see that sangh parivar is creating new stories about mughal kings to hide/suppress the reality now happening in india.
I'm just saying...it's right there!
Originnally posted by Pakka Desi
What is your solution? Do you say that Hindus should forget about all their temples and that's it? So Hindus should compromise and do all the sacrifice for peace? What should Muslims bring to the table? Nothing? What is their responsibility? I expect straight answers. No philosophy please.
Originnally posted by Pakka Desi
I don't need to read any history book to believe that Moguls destroyed temples. I have seen the back part of the Kashi Vishwanath Temple (In Varanasi) through my own eyes. You can clearly see the temple pillars there. (They don't allow people to go in the back any more. It is sealed off to avoid communal tention.)
History books didn't mention all this in my times.
Originnally posted by Pakka Desi
You want to live in a fools paradise, so be it.
Originnally posted by Pakka Desi
The first step to solve a problem is to accept that there is a problem.
Originally posted by Murasoli Maran:
Okey.muslims have Taj Mahal,Kutab Minar,lot of proud monuments,a lot of cultural contributions and of cource,an integrated india.india will never be like this if mughals dont integrated india like this.if mughals were not ruled india in past,most of the parts of present india will be part of china or other countries.mughals made india as an integrated country and kept india from other invaders and dont made india as a muslim country.they survived india and gave india a new good look and integrity.what hindu's having to put on table?.
Now you sangh parivar people made a lot of stories.what you people actually aiming by this storybuilding?.to kill all indian muslims and christiens?.
Pakka desi asked a lot of questiens afghanistan and the world to sameer jamal.i am asking you some simple questiens about present india.
1) How sangh parivar got power?.dont fake to yourself.give straight answers.only true answers.no twisting of history.
2)Why sangh parivar killed christien missionaries by burning them alive?.for what reason?.
3)Why sangh parivar killed father of nation Mahatma Gandhi?.
I'm just saying...it's right there!
Originally posted by Murasoli Maran:
[QB]
before independence,you've agreed the fact that there were no communal violance.so when these communal riots started?.and what is the results of these communal riots?.who got power by isolating people?.BJP is now ruling india.they had only 2 seats in parleament before these communal riots.they thinked about getting power and found that communal isolation is best way to get power.so they made stories about babri-mosque and started injecting communal toxins in innocent people's minds.i never heard any story about babri masjid before 15-20 years.suddenly an issue like babri masjid raised.sangh parivar managed to make riots by using babri-mosque story and it's easy to isolate people after riots.they made a network
for brainwashing infedels.it's called RSS shakha(branch).in a RSS shakha they teached how
to use weapons to young followers.by using these followers,they made riots.they managed to isolate people according to religeon and using majority religeon's votes they got power.this is history.
Originally posted by Shankar Subbiah
You didn't study anything wrong about Muslim emperors because it was delibrated removed from the history book.
Originally posted by Pakka Desi
Once and for all, RSS did not kill the christian missionaries. Locals did it because he was carrying out conversions. My stand has been very clear on this. I do not support that but I do not have any sympathy for the missionary beyond that he met a tragic death. It is a risk of doing the kind of business he was doing.
Originally posted by Pakka Desi
Sangh parivar did not kill Mahatma Gandhi. Nathuram Godse did. He thought that Mahatam Gandhi was responsible for the division of India and the killing of Hindus in pakistan. That was not for religion. So there is no point in bring it here. RSS did not and does not support him.
Originally posted by Glen Cai:
The Chinese withdrew on its own.
"Thanks to Indian media who has over the period of time swiped out intellectual taste from mass Indian population." - Chetan Parekh
Originally posted by Pakka Desi:
Ravish,
1. I did not say Hindustan == Hiduh+sthan. I said, Hindusthan == hinduh + sthan.
"Thanks to Indian media who has over the period of time swiped out intellectual taste from mass Indian population." - Chetan Parekh
"Thanks to Indian media who has over the period of time swiped out intellectual taste from mass Indian population." - Chetan Parekh
Originally posted by Pakka Desi:
While the west was having Industrial Revolution,
Prakash Dwivedi (SCJP2, SCWCD, SCBCD)
"Failure is not when you fall down, Its only when you don't get up again"
Originally posted by Ravish Kumar
Now what do you want ??
They are so busy fighting among themselves, you can invade and rule them, anytime....
and Sameer couldn't you find a better place for crying.
Originally posted by <desi_bhai>:
yes, bilkul theek bola.Sala chowmiyao maje ley raha hoga..mene soccha chup bethoo magar yeh log chutiya pan dikhai jare hai..ab sab chup betho behas karni hai to PM bejh kar karo..kya samjhe na..apunko PM nahi bejh sakta kyonki javaranch ke khate me apna naam he nahich hai ree..chalo sab shanti se bethoo aur mr.abdul kalam ka biography padke kuch desh ke liye karo
Originally posted by Ravish Kumar
Aadab Bajata Hoon.
Samjha Kya .. Apun Duniya Dekhela Hai. Aur Duniya Mein Kaun Kya Karelia Hee Apun Ko Sab Pata Hai. Ghat Ghat Ka Pani Piala Hai Apun.
Faltu Ke Chak-Chak Kaun Shuru Karela, Tere Ko Malum.
Toh Ab Apun point Par Aata Hai.
I'm just saying...it's right there!
bilkul theek bola.
Sala chowmiyao maje ley raha hoga..
mene soccha chup bethoo magar yeh log chutiya pan dikhai jare hai..
ab sab chup betho behas karni hai to PM bejh kar karo..
kya samjhe na..
apunko PM nahi bejh sakta kyonki javaranch ke khate me apna naam he nahich hai ree..
chalo sab shanti se bethoo aur mr.abdul kalam ka biography padke kuch desh ke liye karo
Originally posted by Ravish Kumar:
Aadab Bajata Hoon.
Samjha Kya .. Apun Duniya Dekhela Hai. Aur Duniya Mein Kaun Kya Karelia Hee Apun Ko Sab Pata Hai. Ghat Ghat Ka Pani Piala Hai Apun.
Faltu Ke Chak-Chak Kaun Shuru Karela, Tere Ko Malum.
Toh Ab Apun point Par Aata Hai.
Originally posted by <desi_bhai>:
but you prpobably dont know it..bcos these so called national papers give only small space to the truth and remove them as soon as possible compare it with duration of false report they were circulating, implicating Sangh as the wrong doer
Originally posted by Pakka desi
It's getting boring really. Nobody is interested in having a merit based logical discussion it seems.
"Thanks to Indian media who has over the period of time swiped out intellectual taste from mass Indian population." - Chetan Parekh
Originally posted by Chitra Kumar:
possibly making people from other countries wonder why we fight with each other so much.
"Thanks to Indian media who has over the period of time swiped out intellectual taste from mass Indian population." - Chetan Parekh