Originally posted by Thomas Paul:
Ravish, there is absolutely nothing wrong with a person preferring their own country over the US. There is nothing wrong with someone preferring the US over another country.
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Of course not. But if you go to one country and then complain about how much better your own country is then you are a rude guest. Imagine if I moved to India and constantly complained about what an awful country it was and how much better the US is. How would you feel?Originally posted by Ravish Kumar:
Does it make that person anti-ThatCountry ??
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Originally posted by Thomas Paul:
Of course not. But if you go to one country and then complain about how much better your own country is then you are a rude guest. Imagine if I moved to India and constantly complained about what an awful country it was and how much better the US is. How would you feel?
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There was a post of Jason that was read as he makes no distinction between India and Pakistan, and some disguised insults notwithstanding, I would humbly ask Jason to clarify his position. Did you mean "nuclear weapon" problem or the USA attitude toward India and Pakistan in general?
Americanism... Ersin made a good point that to define "anti-Americanism" we first need to figure out what "Americanism" is. So it would be nice if somebody clarified...
But there is another meta-point I would like to point to. To accuse the USA in death of many Iraqis as a result of "American" sanctions became a common tactics. Jason made a good post on it, so did it make you change your mind? Yes, no? If you still disagree, you should probably say so, because I can understand how Americans can get infuriated when they explain their motives/provide facts, and there is nothing but silence as a response.
Originally posted by Jason Menard:
I usually interpret the silence as a grudging acknowledgement that I was correct and that the other side cannot make a valid counter-argument.
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Originally posted by Michael Ernest:
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Originally posted by Mapraputa Is:
"The dip one? - the one with references to the "Cannibal Women in the Avocado Jungle of Death" movie which you made responding to "India and Pakistan are based on diametrically opposite principals" post. I understood, that your post was read as you do not see any difference between the two countries and, if to consider to whom you compared them to, they both are pretty bad.![]()
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Originally posted by Michael Ernest:
ME: That's the opposite inference from what I said.
Sorry![]()
ME: It wouldn't occur to me to go and find out what's wrong with China.
No one goes to new place to find out whats wrong but it is just that he does not find for what he is habitutal. And when one complains it does not mean that he hates that place/people.
ME: My "we" is mostly a set of people I know and talk to about such thingd. Just out of curiosity, who is your "we"?
Here, when I am saying WE means we ranchers. I think, no one likes to talk about such things. It could be a good deabte but most of the time in my personal life also and here also I have seen that such topics end with ...![]()
ME: Oh come now. I can't believe for a second that you do not hold your important associations in some regard that is different -- not to say better -- from the way you regard people you feel you know less about.
Very true, but not here. Here for me you, Map, Sona gold, Chumma etc. all are same. I know all of you by your name only. By thoughts .... cant say .. becasue sometimes I find same people is saying what I am not expecting him to say but some times he reacts exactly the same way which i expect.![]()
ME: Not that I am doubting your word or your sincerity, but I do not think you are looking as deeply as could here.
I am afraid but I am not getting you. Do you want to say that if I would have been there then my thinking would have been different ?
ME: I mean there is a time and place for every word, speaker and audience.
A little bit agree.
What matters is [b]intent.[/b]
100% agree. But how can we know the intention ?
RK:If one has a joke. His intention is to tell and enjoy. His intention is not to hurt others feeling or make fun of someone. He will not care who is around OR whom he is telling OR who is he?
ME: But if you believe no joke is ever told with the intention of hurting someone,
I dont consider them jokes.
you are lucky; you live in a very sweet place.
I dont know what do you mean.
But yes, I can tell a Sardar joke to Sardar. Because we all know its just a joke and it is just for fun. Why *can* ... we do..
Its not that I have not heard jokes which are not joke. But I have not repeated them.
ME: I'll leave that one as conclusions drawn from personal experience.
Once I was in a different community wedding, so I met some new people. one of them started a joke on Hindu's God. But in the mean time my friend stoped him. That person did not know that I am not from among them.(It is never written on you forehead).
And its not that we dont listen that creep in our society.
I am 100% sure (CMIW), during cold war there would be 100s dirty jokes on USSR. Which you would not share among any russian.
But if it is a joke you can always share .. just by replacing nouns.
I dont like these dirty jokes personally. And I always prefer to listen from the person on whom it is joke or better not to listen at all. But you cant keep your ear closed![]()
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Originally posted by Ravish Kumar:
I am 100% sure (CMIW), during cold war there would be 100s dirty jokes on USSR.
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Originally posted by Thomas Paul:
Perhaps we were too worried about the USSR to joke about them.
Originally posted by Axel Janssen:
Some say that russians are nice people and they had russian friends, others are complaining that they were hunting girls, destroying front gardens with their tanks and drinking too much vodka.
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Originally posted by Thomas Paul:
I grew up during the cold war but I don't recall any anti-USSR jokes. Perhaps we were too worried about the USSR to joke about them.
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I think that we all assumed that sooner or later the Warsaw Pact would attack NATO. I'm a little to young to remember the Cuban missle crisis but I grew up in the post-crisis era. That is why Nixon meeting with Brezhnev was such a big deal.Originally posted by Mapraputa Is:
Did you really believe the USSR would attack you?
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Originally posted by Mapraputa Is:
I remember, nobody believed the USA will drop atomic bomb at us, but there was fear it can happen because of some technical mistakes from either side. I also remember thinking at that time if this happened, how the other side would respond? Imagine that your large city is wiped out, the Soviets are saying "sorry, our mistake" and perhaps can even prove that it was really some failure in equipment. Would you restrict yourselves from any action or would you retaliate to "restore balance"? I wasn't sure what our leaders would do, neither what American would do.![]()
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Originally posted by Shura Balaganov:
2. There's a whole russian community in New York, almost 1 million people, who are trying to create little Russia here...they just refuse to accept the fact and move on...so part of negativity comes from inability to create a simbiose of two worlds in one place, for instance, live socially just like in old country and economically like in US.
Originally posted by Michael Ernest:
There is no American culture, at least from this Calfornian's culture.
Assimilating is not a requirement for being American, IMHO.
I was very much struck by my one visit to Toronto, where apparently the city has quite distinct ethnic quarters, almost as if the city were planned that way.
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Originally posted by Michael Ernest:
Assimilating is not a requirement for being American, IMHO.
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Originally posted by Michael Ernest:
There is no American culture..., at least from this Calfornian's culture. People bring here what they bring; love of their native home, customs, religious practices, etc.
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Originally posted by Ravish Kumar:
Thanks Map, for having courage to start this thread.
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Originally posted by Jason Menard:
I agree with you. But would you say that a "requirement" for being American would be the adoption of some set of shared values or ideals? Maybe "requirement" isn't the right word, but perhaps some shared idea of America that is present in both people who were born here, as well as naturalized citizens and people who are seeking citizenship.
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Originally posted by <closer>:
someone pls close this thread
Don't get me started about those stupid light bulbs. |