Originally posted by Tim Baker:
Some people have obviously never worked for minimum wage.
Let there be light.
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Originally posted by Jason Menard:
And some people have. For all this sermonizing about the poor, I kind of doubt many here actually deal with them much.
While there's very little in the way of upward mobility in England (I suspect due to the social structures in place), there is upward mobility in the US. It's not guaranteed, but it's there. Here, everybody has the opportunity to make a decent life for themselves.
And what on earth does all this claptrap have to do with Spain's recent surrender to terrorism?
[ March 19, 2004: Message edited by: Jason Menard ]
Kim Jong II (North Korea's Dear Leader) said:Nuclear weapons don't kill people, people kill people.
Originally posted by Tim Baker:
If I had lived in the great united states of america there is no way I could of afforded to go to university and I probably wouldn't of got a scholarship.
Clearly what you state is not true, not everyone has the opportunity to make a better life for themselves.
Originally posted by Jason Menard:
So the only way to go to school if you can't afford it is to get a scholarship? Bullshit. I came from a single parent working class household, so it's not like I had anything handed to me. I certainly couldn't afford school. But the options were there. I could have taken a student loan. I could have worked my way through college while trying to hold down a couple of menial jobs in order to get the bills paid. Or I could have joined the military, either active duty, reserves, or National Guard. I left home at 17 and chose to go full time active duty military and paid my own way through college while using the educational benefits that are provided by the military. I made my own decisions on how to put myself in the position I wanted to be in, without having to take handouts from the government or anyone else for that matter.
This girl I lived with for a time was in the exact same situation as me. She came from very little in the poor suburbs of Chicago, joined the military, used her educational benefits to get her degree, along with some student loadns, and is pretty successful now. She made her own success without needing handouts. It's a familiar pattern I've seen repeated time and time again here.
In this country at least, "the great United States" as you put it, the options are there without having to take a handout or having the government prop you up. Maybe in your country the only way for the financially challenged to make it is through massive government assistance, but that isn't the way it works here.
To my way of thinking you appreciate what you have a little bit more, and it's worth a bit more, when you have to work for it.
Kim Jong II (North Korea's Dear Leader) said:Nuclear weapons don't kill people, people kill people.
Kim Jong II (North Korea's Dear Leader) said:Nuclear weapons don't kill people, people kill people.
Let there be light.
doco
Originally posted by Tim Baker:
They don't give student loans to just anyone you know. And you can't just enrole on the hope that you will find a job in whatever city the university happens to be in.