sasank manohar wrote:But we have netbeans,eclipse are free of cost. But I suppose both are not as effective as vs IDE . you can download .NET FROM MICROSOFT WEBSITE and start programming using notepad. Nobody will say anything to you. I don't know Why oracle-Sun hasn't come up with Such a beautiful IDE...what's the problem ? Is there a rule that free tag should make the IDE look inferior.
“The difference between 'involvement' and 'commitment' is like an eggs-and-ham breakfast: the chicken was 'involved' - the pig was 'committed'.”
Really?K Abhijit wrote: . . . the problem of performance is there because
All Java IDEs are written in Java. . . .
Campbell Ritchie wrote:Does Java really run more slowly than C#?. Really?
“The difference between 'involvement' and 'commitment' is like an eggs-and-ham breakfast: the chicken was 'involved' - the pig was 'committed'.”
K Abhijit wrote:well as per as GUI is concern , yes Java GUI definitely is more sluggish than C#
Campbell Ritchie wrote:
There are Java IDEs (eg JCreator) which are not written in Java.
“The difference between 'involvement' and 'commitment' is like an eggs-and-ham breakfast: the chicken was 'involved' - the pig was 'committed'.”
sasank manohar wrote:I think .NET Is also open source.
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David Newton wrote:Rubbish. Well-written Swing applications are plenty fast.
“The difference between 'involvement' and 'commitment' is like an eggs-and-ham breakfast: the chicken was 'involved' - the pig was 'committed'.”
yes, as I said earlier now they are pretty fast with compare to their old versions but still same /similar code (well-written optimized for .net) would run faster on .net platform.
“The difference between 'involvement' and 'commitment' is like an eggs-and-ham breakfast: the chicken was 'involved' - the pig was 'committed'.”
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K Abhijit wrote:
David Newton wrote:Rubbish. Well-written Swing applications are plenty fast.
yes, as I said earlier now they are pretty fast with compare to their old versions but still same /similar code (well-written optimized for .net) would run faster on .net platform..![]()
sasank manohar wrote:people here are mentioning so many loop holes of .net and C#. Then how come microsoft is still able to give the best competition with its industry rivalries. what's the secret behind it?
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Ninad Kuchekar wrote:There is no way you can possibly think that some technology is better than other, at least not when they are still co-existing
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Why? If people are still writing on it, why can't it maintain its existence. It is hardly using lots of memory.Ninad Kuchekar wrote:
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Shouldn't this thread have retired by now? . . .
Campbell Ritchie wrote: Why? If people are still writing on it, why can't it maintain its existence. It is hardly using lots of memory.
David Newton wrote: Rubbish. Just because two technologies co-exist doesn't mean one isn't better than the other.
Ninad Kuchekar wrote: ....., at least not when they are still co-existing, and competing well for that matter. .......
.... As long as something can be done better in one technology than the other, there will always be scope for improvement as we could see from there lifeline.
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Freddy Wong wrote:Wow. What a long thread
I see a lot of C# bashing here as expected in a Java forum
If you look at C# as a language more objectively, the language itself has evolved into a much better language, e.g. closures, delegate, properties, LINQ, etc. whereas Java as a language has pretty much stagnant.
“The difference between 'involvement' and 'commitment' is like an eggs-and-ham breakfast: the chicken was 'involved' - the pig was 'committed'.”
Doin' Java to be one of the cool kids.
I usually use Perl;
See Furst wrote:[...]make a language hard to learn
PERL is perfect for a web backend
Java as the best for webservice is a ridiculous statement, especially when most apps I've seen take up 500 MB or more just to start up..
Java isn't particularly hard to learn, and relative to Perl, I'd think it debatable which is easier, depending on the problem space.
Ew. Perl is *far* from perfect for a web back end, and as a language, leaves much to be desired. It has its place, but IMO that isn't it. Now, if you want to discuss things like HOP, we can begin having a reasonable discussion about Perl--
Depends on your needs, doesn't it? A lot of stuff I've worked on would be really difficult in other environments. (*Really* difficult.) Now that JVM languages are catching up speed-wise I can use way better languages, but the environment itself... tough to beat.
otherwise you haven't brought much to the table here.
Doin' Java to be one of the cool kids.
I usually use Perl;
See Furst wrote:If you have a solid grounding in OOD
[...] more functional languages including C
You forget that perl was once the glue of the internet
Most people who dis Perl are usually people who never used it or don't really understand it.
I believe that was mostly due to floundering when it came to perl 6...
I have, you just didn't like how it tasted and to that I say "you and your horse!"
David Newton wrote:
See Furst wrote:If you have a solid grounding in OOD
Both Scala and Jython are OO, and moreso than Java. Scala's syntax and type system are more complex than Java--moving to Scala is *substantially* more difficult for a C/C++ programmer. *Substantially*. That's why Java's syntax is what it is--to make moving from C++ *easier*.
[...] more functional languages including C
You must mean procedural, because C is not a functional language by any definition I'm aware of.
You forget that perl was once the glue of the internet
No, I actually don't.
Most people who dis Perl are usually people who never used it or don't really understand it.
Lol.
I believe that was mostly due to floundering when it came to perl 6...
No, Perl 6's issues weren't why people (largely) moved to other solutions--it was because people liked the other solutions better than Perl for this purpose.
I have, you just didn't like how it tasted and to that I say "you and your horse!"
No, I just think you're wrong. Rants have to have content. Mostly you said "Java is bloated" and "Perl is cheap". Not part of a discussion about languages, and doesn't really bring anything interesting to the table.
Doin' Java to be one of the cool kids.
I usually use Perl;
See Furst wrote:I find Java's syntax very strict and time consuming build with and to get things done with while I find perl's and Scala's syntax not so. .
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Vijay Gadde wrote:Doing thing in c# is very quick easy and just done, in java it took ages to figure out things around.
Just imagine " configure HIBERNATE INTO WEBLOGICE DEPLOYED WEBSERVICES" - IT TOOK COUPLE OF DAYS FOR US TO FIND A solutions.
Aalok Singh wrote:Can COBOL be used for web applications development ..?
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