i love java ranch , cause why ??? now adays even the forums sections (in other web sites like SUN ) have become a kind of business and not a act of helping others , for eg some complicated questions posted on sun never get answers but on the other hand if a few duke dollars are awarded then they get answered immediately!!! but in java ranch that total concept of duke dollars is absent but yet questions are being answered which i find to be "SIMPLY GENEROUS" !!! HAIL JAVARANCH!!!