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Pretty discouraging.

 
Roger Chase
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Well, I took the test again today. For the second time.The 1st time I ansered 34 correct, today I answered 35 correct. Wow....what can I say. I really felt like I was ready. I've been consistently reading and taking the JQ+ tests.
As far as the test went....do they make it harder? Although my scores were about the same, today's test had quite a few questions where the correct answer just wasn't there. Without going into details, there was a question about (equals & ==) & a question about overloading that just didn't have the right answer.
Anyway, I'm not quite sure what to do now, I must admit I'm a little discouraged. Only because I have learned what I assume are the rules for a great deal of Java, yet in many cases the answers didn't fit any rules I know of...or have seen tested in ANY of the mocks. From the taking SO many mocks I was pretty confident I's seen most of the ways certain concepts could be tested.........obviously I was wrong.
Since I can't ask about the specific questions, if anyone knows of any special circumstance regarding (equals & ==) & overloading. Please send me an e-mail: rochase@excite.com
I've seen so many people reporting there great scores I'm almost a little embarrassed to say I've taken it twice...and missed it by the skin of my teeth twice. I can't quite figure out how else to study.
I'm open(AND WELCOME!) to any suggestions.
 
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Roger,
I'm sorry to hear you were so close again. I found my exam much more difficult than I expected, and while the jq+ questions were good, the exam questions seemed much more specific and less broad. You've come this far already, I think you should press on. Take a look at where you had the most trouble, and then focus on that area until it's one of your strongest, and do this progressively until you feel like you've shed all your weaknesses. I waited a long time to schedule my test, and I think I benefitted quite a bit from that. I know that you're probably pretty discouraged right now, but you're so close and you've come so far. I would be happy to help you in any way I can whether it be through javaranch or email. If you have any questions please feel free to ask.
 
John M. Gabriele
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argh... sorry to hear the news roger.
i'm scheduled for the test on friday and marcus's mock says
i'm just barely passin'. i may very well be in the same boat as
you come friday afternoon.
what text books are you studying from?
 
nitin sharma
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I will be taking my exam today,i do not know what will happen.I wish i come through.
 
Sean Casey
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Good luck nitin!
 
Deepak Magoo
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Hi Roger
My name is Deepak. Its tough roger to miss the exam by one question. You know what I gave my first attempt towards SCJP on 25th January 2001 and i can never forget that day. it was a thursday and i also got 35 questions correct. i really studied hard and also had jqplus but could not clear the exam. the moment i saw my marksheet and i was shattered coz i was confident of atleast clearing the exam. after that neither do i have the money nor the mental strength to go for a second chance. anyhow u must try hard the third time. its always good if get something after hardwork. what else can i say. anyhow if i can be of any help pls mail me at deepakmagoo@rediffmail.com

 
Michael Shields
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If you want it, then keep taking the test. It's just a matter of time. If you don't stop trying then you will never fail.
Some evidence of this:
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When Edison was asked how he felt after he failed to create a light bulb after 10,000 failed attempts, he stated that he had not failed 10,000 times, but succeeded in finding 10,000 ways that would not create a light bulb. You have not failed but merely succeeded is finding out your knowledge level twice.
2.
The U.S.'s first attempts to launch a rocket into space were marked with spectacular ways on how not to launch rockets. They adjusted and succeeded.
3.
A story about the founding of Kentucky Fried Chicken. Harlan Saunders retired at 65 and was unhappy with his retirement income, but had a great fried chicken recipe which he thought would sell. After being rejected by literally 1,006 restaurants, he kept attempting and the 1,007th accepted and the rest is history. He never gave up because he wanted it. If you want it, then don't give up.
You have received result's and found out your knowledge level. Look to just receive a result and adjust accordingly based on that result. Look for different ways of learning. While repetition is the mother of learning, repetition of different methods will your increase knowledge the quickest. The actual questions in JQ+ are not the key, but the concepts covered are. When you run into a concept you do not know, find out why that concept is in java, code that concept, learn what others think of the concept, think of what would be lost if that concept were not available, find out if other concepts are related...
It's not where we begin, because we all started at the same level, it's where we go that matters. It's only a matter of time and direction. To borrow a phrase, "Where do you want to go today."
Keep going!
Michael
 
rb jones
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You need to evaluate how much time you want to spend on this. If you are doing this for personal fulfillment then go for it.
If you were doing this for career development I would weigh the risk/rewards. The time you spend studying for this could be used to study/devlop emerging Java technologies etc. Some people are better test takers than others are. I have failed once before and have been studying for a second round but I am currently burned out. Most hiring managers know about certification. It will prove you know the syntax of Java, but can you develop software? We have interviewed people with certification but fall on their face b/c they don't have any real experience. I have several friends with certification and they say it has made no difference in their careers. There are other reasons Sun is pushing certification. One reason I see is to make some $ash from Java
I thought the test was ambiguous with code that you would never see in a real world situation. It could be better written. Something that would make you stand out from the rest is to get the developer certification. Although, I think you need the programmers first. For the developers they give you a project to design and develop.
I have talked to people and read posts about benefits of certification. From what I have concluded is that it will not get you a job. I might get you an interview but then you must sell yourself to the employers.
Final thoughts:
No experience/ personal fulfillment - go for it
Experience - weigh risk and rewards, also evaluate if you can get extra cash out of your employer or up your hourly rate from having the cert.
 
Roger Chase
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Thanks to ALL for there encouragement/advice. I was discouraged yesterday, but I never stay down for long and I WILL pass this exam....there is no way I'm not going to achieve my objective, especially after coming this close. I plan on taking the developer exam, so I have to pass this hurdle first.
My only real concern is that I feel I have a good grasp of the fundamentals of java and that the exam asked for answers that required you know the footnote of the footnote of the footnote in order to get that question right. THAT is somewhat daunting. As I mentioned, the only two that really stuck was a question about equals(==), and a question about overloading. I'm not sure how to ask w/out revealing the content of the question, so if anyone out there wants to refer me to a good source for these two topics, has an answer, or has any other helpful suggestions, please drop me a line at rochase@excite.com
I've re-scheduled an exam for the 27th. Strike while the iron is hot!
 
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Hi Roger,
I was sorry to read you missed the SCJP on your second try but happy to see you're soldiering on
The only strange thing I can think of in relation to equals vs == nvolves the wrapper classes. You need to remember they override equals() to check the value of the object vs the reference.
Have you just been doing mocks or are you actually writing snippets of code to ensure you understand the concepts? I find that if you can't write a piece of code that demonstrates a rule you will have difficulty recognizing the effect of the rule in a code sample.
Best wishes for the 27th.
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Thomas Paul
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As far as the test went....do they make it harder? Although my scores were about the same, today's test had quite a few questions where the correct answer just wasn't there. Without going into details, there was a question about (equals & ==) & a question about overloading that just didn't have the right answer.
Did you scroll down to make sure that the answer wasn't off the screen? If you really think a question didn't have the right answer then you need to study more. I doubt that any of the questions have such a basic flaw.
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Roger Chase
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I don't REALLY think the right answers aren't there, they obviously are, my concern is that the answer used some abstract, exception to the common rule that you would really have to dig to find and rarely come across. I also realize its not in Sun's best interest to make the exam TOO easy--both to keep certificaion at a premium and hey, maybe they'll make some money along the way.
I was just reflecting my dissapointment. On the first test, I felt as if MY fundamentals were not strong enough, but the test seemed relatively straight-forward. This time the test seemed didn't seem as straight-foward. That is obvioisly highly subjective---the right answers are there, I just didn't know them. THIS TIME. :-)
 
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