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Guy Allard
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What is it?
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Cindy Glass
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If you look at the bottom of this page (and each forum page) you will see a little blue planet with a circle around it. Click this and it will take you to Extreme Tracking - which will show you some count statistics on JavaRanch - like how many pages were looked at, how many unique IPs accessed JavaRanch pages etc.
 
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I have to point out that the ET stuff is not completely accurate. There are lots of pages brought up at javaranch that the ET stuff fails to count because their servers are slow or off-line or something. But it is pretty indicitive.
 
Andy Rodriguez
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Shouldn't this is be information for the eye's of the sheriff's only ? I am not against the total page count etc., being displayed , but IP addr's being made available is a bit ..i don't know what the privacy statement on the site is ...but would like to hear from ppl about their thoughts on this .
 
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To add to that - what's the point of password protecting the IP logged link when one can access the ET log's ?
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Ahh but what isn't given out is a mapping of username - IP address ... we know what IP address have been used to access the site but we don't know who uses them!
 
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You have no idea whose IP you are looking at in Extreme Tracking. On a post you would know the identity of the person. Actually JavaRanch does not make any statement about protecting your IP address. Many UBB boards like this one display them as a matter of course. Most people don't see a big problem with that. Especially if you use an IP service like AOL. Then each time you log on you get a different IP assigned to your session.
 
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Don't want to say elementary watson - but it's easy enough to track and associate a user to an ip , if there is a posting.
And to cindy's point - what if i am not using AOL ?and using DSL / proxy ?
I am not crying out about disclosure of ip's ,but i think its a good practice to NOT disclose the ip's and demographic information- for the benefits of the forum.
My main concerns are with
1) Data security
{ I know that the site doesn't belong to a self regulatory ...} but still - http://www.ntia.doc.gov/reports/privacydraft/198dftprin.htm
2) viable commercial value lost by disclosing a company related info ( via proxy info ) / demographic information .

Originally posted by Angela Poynton:
Ahh but what isn't given out is a mapping of username - IP address ... we know what IP address have been used to access the site but we don't know who uses them!

 
Cindy Glass
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So what is your point. We don't intentionally expose IP addresses. Extreme Tracking does not maintain a displayable history of those addresses. The ones that ARE displayed are not aligned to specific users. I don't see any issue here, even if you do use a static IP.
 
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The point is that the IP CAN BE tracked back to the user if the user "posts" - if the poster is part of the last 20 visitors ie., And what is the benefit of exposing the IP's anyway ? even though we claim not to do it intentionally .
The whole point being - tracking stats is supposed to be a webmasters tool and aid in analysis of that particular site for the webmaster , is it worth being a public domain info ?
[This message has been edited by Skinner Seymour (edited December 18, 2001).]
 
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"Seymour",
Please note our user naming policy at http://www.javaranch.com/name.jsp
This forum allows people to post with unregistered, anonymous-ish names. But please do not register an account with an obviously fictitious name.
It is true that ET tracks lots of stuff. They could potentially track an IP to all sorts of pages and make conclusions. Since some of that info is public, I suppose somebody could constantly suck info from ET and make their own conclusions. Maybe map that info to an actual name and e-mail address.
To use ET, you have to either pay gobs of money or else make your stats public.
I'm not going to pay gobs of money. And I find the info useful. It's a fun gob of data.
I suppose I could take it out and rely strictly on our private (and more accurate) webtrends data. Although it's reporting is sometimes comparitively weak.
While this is technically a privacy hole, I fail to see how it is that vital of a privacy hole. I cannot imagine somebody going to such great lengths to collect such useless data. I cannot imagine what value it would have. Perhaps I'm just a bit thick.
Perhaps you could paint a sample picture of the evils of continuing to use ET?
 
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Skinner - TCP/IP packets -by definition- have IP addresses in them.
If you've got a 'wall' up that is sniffing at what goes on on your box (which I do on one of several machines), there is no way that you can hide IP addresses. Once you have that, it is straightforward to find out 'abc.com'. Same for javaranch as -any- site.
Just thought I'd ask what it was. I currently have the wall on my Linux box dropping those packets on the floor. I'll let 'em back out.
Regards, Guy

[This message has been edited by Guy Allard (edited December 18, 2001).]
[This message has been edited by Guy Allard (edited December 18, 2001).]
 
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