Web Shpere Certification VS Java Developers Cert

[Jawahar Rajan]

Hi All
AS we are flodded with n number of Certifications these days how would someone wanting to move into web development or Web services development know which type of certification is more appropriate.
Sun Does push J2EE as complete package bur will having a certification from them help any?
What about the Web shpere certification what does this involve? I think IBM still likes to use J2EE (I may be wrong) so how different is the Web shpere package?
Any help or suggestions would be welcome
Thanks
Jawahar

[Pradeep Chopra]

Dear Jawahar,
You are correct about so many certifications in the area of J2EE tech's, which makes it difficult choosing the best ones and choosing a track. But I've seen not many people are aware of JCert, a consortium comprising of SUN, IBM, BEA, ORACLE etc. and it defines very valuable certification tracks. You can follow http://www.jcert.org for complete details.
I am sure this will be of some help to you.
Regards and best wishes
Pradeep Chopra
Whizlabs Software
http://www.whizlabs.com

[Yingtang Tang]

I agree with Pradeep.
I think it would be nice to have certs from both general ones about java technologies and specific ones about commerical products.
And I found the "OOA/D with UML test" will be really helpful for our career. Actually, I am working on a few certs at the same time.
The jCert Roadmaphighlights the possible ways to follow.
Hope it helps.
Yingtang

[Bob Graffagnino]

I am also wondering which certification to pursue.
Sun Web Components?
SCJD?
Some sort of Oracle cert?
OOA/D?
Weblogic?

[Bob Graffagnino]

Okay, I reviewed the roadmap. Looks like the next step for me is IBM's OOA/D with UML.
How about Oracle's JDeveloper exam for step 3. I would be interested in that test, but I am under the impression that Oracle is no longer offering that test.
Can anyone tell me more about the JDeveloper exam?

[Bob Graffagnino]

After doing a bit of research, I've discovered that there isn't a "JDeveloper exam", however there is a Java Developer curriculum on Oracle's site:
http://oracle.com/us/education/programs/jobrole/index.html?content.html

[Kaushik Barot]

AS far as getting job is concerned WebLogic certification and Websphere certification is more helpful. since lot of people have java (Sun) certification.

[jeff lau]

Hi, both IBM WebSphere and BEA WebLogic are powerful Java apps servers. WebLogic leads in market share followed by IBM. At first, I wanted to study for the WebLogic certification, but I decided to go for the Sun Enterprise Architect since it has more available resource materials to study for and it is general purpose. WebLogic certification would be good after the Sun Architect certification.
Just my 2 cents.

[Pradeep Chopra]

Hi,
As i said earlier, JCert Tracks are really worth it if you want to move ahead in J2EE. IBM's UML (Test 486) is really worth studying if you want to grow ahead from Developer to Designer. Among the product certifications, either of WebLogic/WebSphere is good.
Sometime back there were not many options and so many people become SCJP. Now, if anyone of you wants to move ahead and wud like to have edge above others, following certs will give you a good going:
SCJP, SCWCD, IBM's UML (Test 486), Enterprise Connectivity (Test 483), WebSphere/WebLogic. Best part is all of these are related and it forms a good learning platform from beginner level to the expert. Also I would like to emphasize the importance of IBM's XML Certification. Please note that XML is supported across the industry and topics like "Web Services" seems to have great future potential. Also Certs like SCJD and SCEA are worth studying for but the thing is they take lot of time as they are not only Objective Type; thats why not many people go for them.
I hope this helps.
Regards and best wishes
Pradeep Chopra
Whizlabs Software
http://www.whizlabs.com

[Axel Janssen]

Hi Pradeep,
is your company planing to offer a test engine for IBM.486 (UML) in the near future?
regards,
Axel

[Pradeep Chopra]

Dear Axel,
Thanks for your query!!!
Yes, we are working on IBM's UML Test 486 and Test 483 for Enterpise Connectivity. Test 483 will be launched first followed by Test 486 (both in April)
Regards and best wishes
Pradeep Chopra
Whizlabs Software
http://www.whizlabs.com

[jawa lal]

Do i have to do 486 , if i want to take up
483.
Beside is 483 valued as much ase SCEA

[Pradeep Chopra]

Dear Jawa,
483 and 486 are independent.
Similarly you can't compare 483 with SCEA. Both have their own purpose. SCEA is more rigorous.
Hope this helps.
Thanks and regards
Pradeep

[Anita P]

Hi
I also have been confused about the many certifications. Thanks to JavaRanch for this site and all the helpful information it provides.

[Doug Wang]

Hi Pradeep,
Nice to see you again. Thanks for your helpful information. Your track sounds reasonable. I will try to follow.
One doubt. I find in this ranch there are more guys pursuing SCEA than Enterprise Connectivity test.

Originally posted by Pradeep Chopra:
Also Certs like SCJD and SCEA are worth studying for but the thing is they take lot of time as they are not only Objective Type; thats why not many people go for them.
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[ March 20, 2002: Message edited by: Doug Wang ]

[jawa lal]

hi,
I agree SCEA takes more time than IBM's 483. But tell me which is really worth doing in term of increasing your market value.
Most say
IBM is more recognised by marketing/management people while the
SCEA is valued more by techies , especially SCEA is considered best cert for J2EE.
comments pls...

[Pradeep Chopra]

Dear Doug and Jawa,
One of the reasons more people (on this forum) appearing for SCEA compared to EC is IBM doesn't put marketing efforts in promoting its certs like SUN. Also probably EC is new as compared to SCEA.
But looking at the syllabus for SCEA and the Cert Procedure, SCEA looks more valuable. At the same time, it requires much more efforts.
Hope this helps a bit.
Regards and best wishes
Pradeep

[Jawahar Rajan]

All,
Thanks for the many pieces of advis given in the various replies.
The JCert track seems to be a logical one to follow and IBM has some good links to
Thanks again
Jawahar [e-mail]

[pjoisha]

I recently went and got Enterprise Java with UML
by CT Arrington and I was wondering if reading
this book along with Fowler's would suffice
for Test 486 or should I go out and get that
Larman book?
Thanks,
PJ

[sameera kocharekar]

Hi
I would like to know that even if i havent got a development experience for EJB should i plan to give the Websphere or Weblogic certification exams.
Would it be helpful for me i n my career like in securing a better job.
I have cleared the Java certification exam conducted by Sun
Have these certifications helped others like me !!!
Would like to know!!!
Thnks
Sam

[Rony Donald]

sam,
I've learnt one thing in my life : Education never goes waste, be it a certification or Kindergarten. You always learn something.
Otherwise also certifications like weblogic and websphere gives you a lunching platform. You may be disappointed in short term if you don't see immediate benefits but in long term you will always feel great about your decision.
Yes, they have helped me throught my career.
Good luck
Rony

[Tom Stevns]

Hello to all off you !
Some off you mentioned something about jCert.
Please go to the topic:
Site\Javaranch\Request for JCert forum
And give some comments to this idea
Thanx in advance

[sameera kocharekar]

Hi Rony
thanks a lot
needed the boosting
with the java market a little going haywire
i was a little tensed so couldnt really descide on whether to take further certifications
anyways
thanks a lot
Rgrds
Sam

[arun sahni]

Sam
It is not Java but most of IT is going haywire. But I feel java still holds good potential compare to new technologies coming from different vendors. But time is the best judge to decide who will be wiiner.