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Marcelo Ortega
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Hi friends,

I have passed the SCJP and im currently working on the SCJD. I would like to gain more knowledge on OO analisis and design with UML after the SCJD but not sure which certificate to go for. I have read a little about the IBM 486 exam but should i do any before hand, as a prereqisit?

And, if anyone recomends the IBM 486 exam, should i do this one before the SCEA exam?

Last question: For the IBM 486 exam i noticed that the "Certification title" quotes "IBM Certified Enterprise Developer - WebSphere Studio, V5.0" - What has WebSphere Studio have to do with the certificate? I thought they would of called it OO Analyst or something?

Thanks in advance,
Marzo.
[ October 05, 2005: Message edited by: Marzo Kaahn ]
 
Theodore Casser
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I took the 486 exam as a semi-warmup and confidence builder before I started working on the SCEA exam - it was a good way to convince myself that I knew enough about UML to be able to carry off an OOAD assignment successfully. (Dunno what it says, though, about my abilities given my score on the SCEA and how much better I did on 486, though other scores I've gotten before and since seem to show my weakness is with diagrams and not the concepts. Who knows.)

The reason it shows up as 'IBM Certified Enterprise Developer' rather than something on its own is that 486 is not a stand-alone certification - while you can take the exam without any prereq's, the exam itself is one of the four you need to take to get their certified developer certification. You don't get any papers besides the score sheet for completing this exam.

I think taking it was a good experience, and I do list it when I mention certification exams I've taken and passed, if that matters at all.
 
Marcelo Ortega
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So you don't actually get a certificate, just a score sheet?
 
Theodore Casser
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In a word - yes.

As I said, 486 isn't stand-alone. It's like 483/484 is to J2EE - it's a compliment to their other certs, and part of their higher-level certifications (think how the old JCert group was).
 
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Thanks for your reply.

How would you compare the dificultiness of the 486 to say something like the SCJP (obviously not content wise, but rather trickiness and what have you)?
 
Theodore Casser
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I think that they're very different exams, actually.

The funny thing is that 486 was probably the exam that freaked me out the most during my preparation. At the time when I started gearing up for it, I wasn't doing very much OOAD at the office - I was primarily a Java developer, not an architect (though I'm moving in that direction now). So understandably, I really hadn't done anything formal with OOAD aside from two weeks of classes, and I pretty much panicked, which made my prep seem that much harder... and I did the best on that exam of any exam I've taken.

SCJP, on the other hand, involves something I do every day. So it's deceptive in how hard it is - I found the upgrade to 5.0 to be fairly difficult when I took it for real, if only because it involved only those things that had changed. I suspect the full SCJP would have been easier to me, as it would have included the 'basics' that I use every day, instead of some of the more arcane bits of Java SE 5.0.

So the answer is, as it seems to be with everything involving certification - it depends.
 
Marcelo Ortega
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Thanks Theodore.
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Also: OMG UML
 
D Dilip
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University of California Santa Cruz Extension in Silicon Valley offers a certificate program in Object Oriented Programming. Those of you considering certificate in OOAD, Java probably should consider it. Here is the link to the website:

http://www.ucsc-extension.edu/ucsc/public/category/courseCategoryCertificateProfile.do?method=load&certificateId=161

These classes are available in the online format.
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Darya Akbari
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Hi,

I did the certificate through Online courses at UCSC Extension and can say that the certificate was much worth it and helped me through SCJD and actually helps me through SCEA.

I studied in conjunction with the HFDP book which worked out perfectly, and I can recommend it to everyone who is seriously interested in getting the OOAD stuff burned in.

The point is that you have to do a lot of homeworks where you must put all known Design Patterns to work.

Regards,
Darya
 
Kannan Kanagaraj
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Hi,

I have read that for IBM Certified Enterprise Developer (ICED) we need to clear 4 tests. I have few questions:

1. Does these 4 tests form a qualification for ICED ? Do does ICED is a separate exam ? I mean the 5th exam ?
Or
2. Clearing all these 4 exams itself enough to get the certification for ICED ?

please let me know
 
Sabarish Sasidharan
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Originally posted by Kannan Kanagaraj:
Hi,

I have read that for IBM Certified Enterprise Developer (ICED) we need to clear 4 tests. I have few questions:

1. Does these 4 tests form a qualification for ICED ? Do does ICED is a separate exam ? I mean the 5th exam ?
Or
2. Clearing all these 4 exams itself enough to get the certification for ICED ?

please let me know


Yes, once these 4 exams are completed you become a ICED. Not further exams to get ICED.
 
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