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is it really worth???

 
rahul dutt
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hey guys,
i c a lot of people taking certifications... but are they gonna help in gettin u a job....can some one be specific if they got a job bcos of these certifications..
i think that the technical recruiters have no idea of these certifications..and unfortunately.. they are the one who get to c u r resume first..if the technical managers get to c u r resume first , probably u might get a chance.. which is not possible... it reminds me of "O"
( if there are any tech recruiters or people in higher positions who make a decision regarding hiring can u please post u r views)
can anyone enlighten me and put your valuable comments over here.. may be we can start a discussion over here...
and i recently graduated with a masters in comp science ( my undergraduate was in computer science) and had no luck in gettin a job....
where as my friends who have done their masters in civil , environmental , food technology
are in tech industry...
i think the industry has become ......., i have no words..
 
Soum Sark
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certifications do not really help in getting a job if you don't have any experience...experience is the keywork nowadays....if you have experience+certification then you might get infront of a guy who has got only experience...doing certifications also helps in learning new things since you always do not get to work in all the areas of the technology that you use...so from a learning point of view it is worth it..but if you looking for a job on the basis of a certification then you would be very lucky if you get even an interview...
 
Jayadev Pulaparty
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Soum,
I'm breaking your message into two different parts, just for the sake of analysis.
certifications do not really help in getting a job if you don't have any experience...experience is the keywork nowadays....if you have experience+certification then you might get infront of a guy who has got only experience...

Your observations above may be the recruiters' way of filtering people who apply for a given job. How do you exactly define "experience"? I guess you meant it to refer to "the thorough knowledge of the things in the area you are working in". If so, i don't see any difference b/w experience & certification, PROVIDED the certification ensures that the person gains the so called "experience" in achieving it (as in the present xml certification ).
1) doing certifications also helps in learning new things since you always do not get to work in all the areas of the technology that you use...
2) so from a learning point of view it is worth it..but if you looking for a job on the basis of a certification then you would be very lucky if you get even an interview...

You are bang on target in your first point above. But if the second scenario is really the case in the job market right now, i pity those employers who go by such thumb rules. The bottom line anywhere is that the ability of the person they employ to deliver the goods (his problem solving skills), no matter what. BTW, i'm in the so called "inexperienced" category and hence trying to put forward my view
I look forward to hear the views of other friends on this forum.
 
Tony Yan
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All said, a good thing with cert. is that you don't have to list them on the resume, so that you can 'target' to the job req. Unlike education and work exp., I think this is a good option.
Say you have A+ cert. MCxx, and Java and DB2, when you apply for a DBA job, you probably don't need to expose your Java cert., which MIGHT cause doubts by the recruiters.
 
John Wetherbie
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Certifications are worth it as a potential tie-breaker between you and another candidate. However, in my experience being hired, and in hiring other people, a certification by itself never got me hired or made me want to hire someone. It has gotten me out of taking tests at employers because since I am certified I must know about Java, etc. This isn't always true, of course, but it is a nice perk of having a cert.
Having experience, even on your own time, will help. If you combine that with a certification then you have probably helped yourself but it is hard to quantify. It does demostrate that you can set a goal and achieve it and want to continue learning. Always good qualities to have and demonstrate!
[ November 26, 2002: Message edited by: John Wetherbie ]
 
Jayadev Pulaparty
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John,
It does demostrate that you can set a goal and achieve it and want to continue learning. Always good qualities to have and demonstrate!

A very valid observation.
I too believe that it is definitely difficult to exactly quantify things. It is something like this - If a given job needs experience in a field, say XX, then there will be a lot of people who claim to be experienced in XX. This doesn't mean that they know all the areas of XX. Hence, the recruiters need to filter the applicants who really know it thoroughly and one of their tools would be looking for certification in the field XX. This will ensure that they get the candidates they are looking for with a certain degree of certainity. The remaining uncertainity will be taken care of in the interview process.
 
Jayadev Pulaparty
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Little info please. I've seen a lot of guys talking about free voucher# 483 on this forum. Can someone give me some insight into how to prepare for the exam for a guy like me with just SCJP2 knowledge? If i have some application server like say Weblogic on my m/c, is that going to be sufficient for practicing all the concepts required for taking this certification. Any inputs are appreciated.
 
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