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Mike Wiegand
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Hello, I am extremely interested in a meaningful project to use as a foundation for an EJB project. But, I need to study and take the test b4 I am allowed to download the architecture assignmet. Can anyone give me the details on what the architect assignment is?? Or, where can I get a copy of it??
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Rahul Mahindrakar
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Yes you need to take the Architecht Part I test before moving on the II and III
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SCJP2, SCJD2 & SCJEA (Part I)
 
Angela Poynton
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To give you that information would be considered cheating.
we don't condone or encourage cheating of any form at Javaranch.
Take the test, then you'll find out "legally" what the assignment is.
 
SJ Adnams
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I think anyone who is capable of getting this certification is equally capable of looking through this message archive & figuring out what the assignment is (or other boards).
They are probably equally capable of going to an internet search engine & finding copies of the assignment & various 'solutions'.
If this is cheating or not it a matter for Sun & the way they conduct exams.
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faisal mahmood
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Also, to add it is different for every candidate.
Faisal
 
Mike Wiegand
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Cheating? Are you kidding? Get off your high horse, dude. Or should I say dud! Jesus Christ!
 
herve attia
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Mike,
The Sun Architect Assignment can be found at the following address :
IMHO, I don't think it is cheating to read it ?!
Regards,
herve
Herve:
I have deleted the URL you had posted. I think it is not fair for others to have a copy of the assignment when they have not completed Part I. Though this is subject to debate.
[This message has been edited by Rahul Mahindrakar (edited November 08, 2001).]
 
Christophe Testi
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Does anyone has a link with the solution ?
Just kidding
-Chris
 
faisal mahmood
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Christophe Test, Is that why you come to forums like JavaRanch?
Very disappointing to see what's happening in this thread.
It's illegal to both by law (copyright) and by Sun Microsystems (deserves the right to withdraw your SCJEA certification).
I am requesting the moderator to look into this case.
Faisal
 
faisal mahmood
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Sorry Christophe Testi,
I missed the "Just kidding" bit of your post.
 
faisal mahmood
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Simon Lee,
Originally posted by Simon Lee:
I think anyone who is capable of getting this certification is equally capable of looking through this message archive & figuring out what the assignment is (or other boards).

The forum is for helping each other for learning, not for cheating. Besides by reading the post you can get a feeling about how hard it is, what topics it covers, how to perpare for the tests and personal feelings of the ranchers about the certifications. This is not equivalent to giving questions away illegally.

They are probably equally capable of going to an internet search engine & finding copies of the assignment & various 'solutions'.
If this is cheating or not it a matter for Sun & the way they conduct exams.

Well, if you have taken any Sun exams so far you would know that you have to click on "I AGREE" button after reading some legal statements. If you are not following it then you are breaking the law and what Sun can do in such is also mentioned in the statement.
Also, before downloading the assignment you need to pass part 1 and agree on the statements.
Faisal
[This message has been edited by faisal mahmood (edited November 08, 2001).]
 
SJ Adnams
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Faisal,
I have done the programmer exam & architect part 1. I am currently sitting on my part 2 solution and will submit it as soon as I am ready for part 3 (I can't afford the 117.50stg this month).
I have not done anything to break my part of the deal with Sun. I was merely pointing out that both the Assignment and Solutions can be found using a search engine.
To be honest I was shocked that Sun give everybody the same assignment. I paid 160stg (+tax - which is another can of worms) for this assignment, in anyones language that is a lot of money and I would of expected Sun to maybe randomly assign 1 of 12 or so assignments rather than give everyone the same.
It is Sun's responsibilty to maintain the value of this exam, I can't believe they are so naive as to think that people won't post solutions on the net. They have seen it with the Programmers exam and Microsoft had huge problems with their MSCD tests.

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Tiger Scott
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Unfortunaely Sun gives the same assignment to all- both in SCJD and SCEA. That is pretty poor practice. That is the reason these certifications have so little value and recognition.
Sanjay
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Christophe Testi
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Faisal and Simon,
You should be a little bit more realistic and accept the good and bad thing about SUN certification.
Being certified does not mean anything if you don't have a strong experience in Architecture. It will never replace that... And when you will be facing a customer you will not be able to cheat anymore at this time (if you did for the certif).
So I hope that people on this forum realize that and will do the assignement 'themself'
otherwise they will pay the price of cheating sooner ot later, so I would not worry to much about it.
Cheers,
-Chris

[This message has been edited by Christophe Testi (edited November 08, 2001).]
 
faisal mahmood
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Sorry, if I hurt anyone. I did not mean to insult anyone.
Also, I did not know that they give the same assignment to everyone. I did SCJP, SCWCD, SCJEA (part 1) and couple of IBM tests - and so far I found each of them fair.
If you are right then I strongly agree with you. Sun should not give the same to everyone. Also, if we post the question or answer illegally then we devalue our own credits of taking it. It will be full waste of money. I think as Java Ranchers as a group we should approach Sun. If Sun does not care then they lose their own market specially in such a bad economic climate.
I don't want my certifications to be valued less than I deserve.
Faisal
 
faisal mahmood
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Hi,
Please follow the thread for conclusion:
http://www.javaranch.com/ubb/Forum26/HTML/000495.html
Thanks,
Faisal
 
herve attia
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All,
The main goal of SCEA is to LEARN and to VALIDATE your J2EE architecture/design skills from Sun !!!
There is no personal benefit to copy/paste someone'else solution.
Where is the PRIDE ???!!! huh ?!
Pride to add Sun Architect logo on your business card and resume ???
Pride to apply any Architect J2EE jobs position because you are fake-certified NOW ?!!!
Pride to lie to your (future) employer that you are a "real" fake Sun Certified Architect J2EE platform ??!!!
Pride to help and devaluate these certification ?!!!

The only one person you cheat ...is YOURSELF !!
So, be PROUD to clear these certification on your own and PROUD to be the next "real" member of the SCEA community.
herve attia
 
faisal mahmood
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Originally posted by herve attia:
All,

The main goal of SCEA is to LEARN and to VALIDATE your J2EE architecture/design skills from Sun !!!

There is no personal benefit to copy/paste someone'else solution.

Where is the PRIDE ???!!! huh ?!

Pride to add Sun Architect logo on your business card and resume ???

Pride to apply any Architect J2EE jobs position because you are fake-certified NOW ?!!!

Pride to lie to your (future) employer that you are a "real" fake Sun Certified Architect J2EE platform ??!!!

Pride to help and devaluate these certification ?!!!

The only one person you cheat ...is YOURSELF !!

So, be PROUD to clear these certification on your own and PROUD to be the next "real" member of the SCEA community.

herve attia

Please do not get angry just because we removed the site. It is benificial for everyone. Of course we are proud of our achievements through learning. That's what is the best part of taking certifications.
Faisal
 
SJ Adnams
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herve,
That is rubbish.
The goal of the SCEA is to put on your C.V. in order to get a job. If an employer sees me with SCEA, he will pick me rather than someone without SCEA. He will only recognise SCEA if Sun act responsibly in maintaining it's value.
It is nothing to do with Pride.

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Andrew Tyson
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One question that I have with respect to this thread is : to what degree does part III catch out people who are flagrantly plagerising other people's work? My understanding is that part II and part III are graded in conjunction, and the candidate is given an aggregate score based upon the two.
As has been pointed out previously, the simple way to obviate plagerism is for Sun to invest the time and money into a handful of these projects for part II.
I would concur with Simon's assertion that people invest the time and money in certifications to bolster their chances of employment. This is exacerbated by the increasingly large number of good candidates competing for fewer roles in this poor economic environment.
Regards,
Andrew
 
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