The number of SCEAs

[Jun Hong]

Hi guys,
Does anybody know the number of SCEAs on this planet? I heard it is about 300. Is this true? I thought there were thousands.

[SJ Adnams]

I think the 300 figure is from that project in Pakistan.

[Burk Hufnagel]

It's weird, isn't it? You'd think Sun would publish the numbers somewhere, but if they have then I've missed it.

[Alberto Dell'Era]

Originally posted by Burk Hufnagel:
It's weird, isn't it? You'd think Sun would publish the numbers somewhere, but if they have then I've missed it.

Even Oracle doesn't publish the number of DBAs that are certified even if the number it's quite high - that's because publishing this kind of information may cause the competition to compare this number with their numbers and state, e.g, that "we have 100,000 more Architects than Sun!", even if by "Architect" they mean what Sun calls "programmer".
Of course Sun can underline the difference afterwards, but the word is already out, and a lot of people will remember the false statement and not the reply of Sun.
So, every company is overly careful in publishing informations like that - expecially with a relatively new "product" like SCEA. That does not mean that they won't publish it (or perhaps they have already done it), but only after careful planning. Moreover, normally, they publish relative numbers ("last year we got 123% more Architects!") instead of absolute figures.

[Atif Shah]

hi!!
300 Arch from Pakistan??? from where u got this information

regards

[Burk Hufnagel]

Originally posted by Alberto Dell'era:
because publishing this kind of information may cause the competition to compare this number with their numbers and state, e.g, that "we have 100,000 more Architects than Sun!", even if by "Architect" they mean what Sun calls "programmer".

I see your point, but it still bugs me that we can't tell if there are 5 SCEA's for every SCJP or vice versa. Judging by the number of posts to the SCJP, SCJD and SCEA forums here is a rough way to guess, but so far it's the only way I've found.
Just for the heck of it, I've sent an email to Sun via their certification site and asked about the number of SCJDs and SCEAs - I'll let you know what they say.

[SJ Adnams]

Atif,
The project is called 'Operation Badar'. See http://www.pakistaneconomist.com/issue2001/issue32/cover.htm it says 313 Architects.
Also.. I read in Computer Weekly (U.K. paper magazine) that there are 20,000 SCJP's.

[Burk Hufnagel]

This just in... Sun's response is:
Dear Burk,
Thank you for choosing Sun Educational Services for your training needs. This
is in response to the question you posted below via the website and/or
[email protected].
Unfortunately, we do not have any information regarding how many people are
currently certified in any of our certifications.
Should you require additional information, please contact us at 1-800-422-8020
and an Education Specialist will be able to assist you.
Thank you,
<name withheld to protect somebody>
A quick response, but not very helpful - so I've sent a reply:
Thanks for the quick response. do you have any idea on the ratio of SCJPs vs SCJDs vs SCEAs? If not, do you know if there is someone who does?
I'll post more as I get it...
Burk
[ March 04, 2002: Message edited by: Burk Hufnagel ]

[Alberto Dell'Era]

Originally posted by Burk Hufnagel:
This just in... Sun's response is:
Unfortunately, we do not have any information regarding how many people are
currently certified in any of our certifications.

They of course have that infos in some database of theirs ... but they don't want to publish them. Not because they're evil or unfair, but (in my opinion) because of the good reasons that I've expressed in my previous post.
Perhaps they will answer your question about the ratio SCEA/SCJP: my guess it's that the ratio is about 5%, given the difficulty (and cost, and number of exams, and lack of learning resources) of SCEA. They may publish it to make Java people feel that SCEA is an "elite" certification, that can distinguish them from the Java crowd, and secure good job opportunities. All things that are real, otherwise I will not be here ... at my age, I can't do anything only out of sheer interest. I must earn my living, especially I must mantain my Lear Jet, my yacht, and my two houses in the Caribbean (*).
Alberto
(*) This sentence may be not completely true.

[Daryl Le]

FYI, IBM used to have a web site that shows a directory of their certified specialists, solution developers and enterprise developers etc... They dropped supporting this site at the end of last year. ???

[Atif Shah]

Originally posted by Simon Lee:
Atif,
The project is called 'Operation Badar'. See http://www.pakistaneconomist.com/issue2001/issue32/cover.htm it says 313 Architects.
Also.. I read in Computer Weekly (U.K. paper magazine) that there are 20,000 SCJP's.

just my understanding it says " The target is to train 313 architects" this definatly doesnt mean they have 313 arch:.....
but as the are going i guess this year they will.

[herve attia]

I took the time today to count the number of message (on this Forum) of people who have succeeded part 2&3 since ONE year.....
...the number is 8 !!

[Mark Spritzler]

I took the time today to count the number of message (on this Forum) of people who have succeeded part 2&3 since ONE year.....
...the number is 8 !!

Wow, what a low number. I hope more happen soon.
Mark

[rajesh karmani]

The project is Operation Badar. Their informational website is
Operation Badar

[Hussain]

Hey I m From Operation Badar Pakistan They don't have 313 Architects they have only 1 their mission is to make 313 architects and 10000 programers in which they have Created 500 programers.They have the WOrld Record Holder the Youngest SCJP Ever from the Girl she is 12(at time of SCjp)know she is SCWCD as well as OOAD/UML
Certified.They also have The Youngest J2EE Devloper and A person who got 100% in OOAD/UML.
U can Visit their Site AT:
www.operationbadar.edu.pk
They Want Pakistan to Fight the Cyber WAR

[herve attia]

Interesting reading....but I'm wondering why they want to build an army of certified people ?!....
Certifications doesn't guarantee a job at all !!
Regards,
herve
SCJP2, SCDJ2, SCWD, SCEA

[Hussain]

Hey i know that certification doesn't aquire a job ...
Do u know a fact that in certifications pakistan is on THE TOP THESE DAYS
WE have SCJP == 550+
WE have SCWCD == 100+
WE have UML/OOAD == 50+
WE have J2EE == 15+
WE have XMl == 10+
and sir we have a work force that can do anything.
and a software house name BadarSoft...
Badar's Home Page
we do cert and do implementation as well
[ April 06, 2002: Message edited by: Muhammad Hussain ]

[Roman Rytov]

This is my topic from SCJD forum:
[As you all know statistics about how many people are SCJP, SCJD and SCJA is confident. I couldn't find any number about it in the Internet but two days ago it was a SUN's conference in Israel and I asked the local education manager about it. She told me that there are more than 1000 SCJP, about 200 SCJD and less than 10 SCJA in Israel. This information is not official but it shows some correspondence btw. all 3 serts. Number of SCJP is so big 'cause a lot of teaching companies that makes JAva cources include preparation to SCJP into their cources. And anyhow this sert. is almost piece of cake. Besides that I asked a guy from SUN's office in the States (one of SUN's gurus) about value of these certifications and he answered that SCJD mentioned in someone's resume enforces him to think about its holder and SCJA almost unambiguously influences upon invitation to a interview.]
Again, it's what I was told.

[Anonymous]

Hi,
Inspired by Herve.. I did some counting for people who have passed part 2 and 3 in yahoo groups forum.
I found 32 people.
This group is active from June - 2000 and has around 6300 posts.
Assumptions being.. most of the folks who have cleared SCEA ( all parts ) have posted in this group by either saying "Passed" or "Cleared".
We can assume a tolerance 25% for missed posts/deleted/people not posting their results.
That leaves us with a number around 40

Well, that makes me
The SCEA group has around 3698 members currently.
So guys give in your ideas....
Anil