Sun certified Architect

[Kareem Qureshi]

Hi,
I would like to know whether i have to complete the Developer exam before i could go for the architects exams
Kareem

[Mark Spritzler]

The only prerequisite for Architect is SCJP. But that doesn't mean that it might be a better idea to do the SCJD. But it really is up to you. Many people take different Cert paths, and each and every way is fine.
Mark

[Kareem Qureshi]

Thanks Mark,
I have completed the SCJP exam with 88% two days back. So that would be great, I can start preparing for the architects exams.
Mark I need another help as how i can start off, like the sources, and study material for the exam.
Thanks
Kareem

[Mark Spritzler]

http://www.javaranch.com/scealinks.jsp
Try that link out to get you started. Alos there is a new book out by Mark Cade and Simon Roberts, that might be helpful too.
Mark

[Chris Mathews]

Actually, (surprisingly) the SCJP is not even required for SCEA. Of course, SCJP is a good certification to take before attempting SCEA. I also think SCWD is very helpful.
Chris
SCJP, SCWD, WebLogic 6.0 Developer, Oracle 8i DBA

[Mark Spritzler]

Actually, (surprisingly) the SCJP is not even required for SCEA

Really which Sun website are your visiting and what's it's URL, I'd like to go there.
Hey I found that site it is www.snu.com. Just kidding, You are right, you do not need the SCJP exam.
Mark
[ April 03, 2002: Message edited by: Mark Spritzler ]

[Bagwan Mehrat]

I'm sorry if I'm beginning to sound like a broken record, but again, the reason people are confused is because SCJA required SCJP. SCJA no longer exists, and has been replaced by SCEA, which has no prerequisite.

[Burk Hufnagel]

I went to the first (I think) SCEA FastTrack class at the 2001 JavaOne conference. Mark Cade was the insrtuctor and he told us a lot about the exam. I don't remember all of it (Durn it!) but there are parts that stuck in my memory.
From what he said, I think there's a good reason why the SCEA doesn't require SCJP - there's no coding involved.
As an architect, you need to understand what you can do with Java, but you don't necessarily need to be able to write it yourself.
This may lend a clue as to how much you need to know about EJBs - you don't have to be able to write them, but you do need to know what you can an dcan't do. When you should use them, and when not to. That sort of thing.
Having said this, let me also say that I have not taken Part 1 yet so I may be completely wrong. If I am, I expect that several of the folks here who have passed Part 1 will be happy to correct me.
Thanks for listening,
Burk

[Kareem Qureshi]

Hi,
I have over 5 years of Java experience now after reading messages in this thread i am in confused whether i should go for the developer exam or the architects exam. Of the last two years of my experience i am involved in developing EJBs. Also i would like to know about the assignment in SCEA does it involves coding or not.
Thanks in advance
Kareem

[Mark Spritzler]

The assignment in the SCEA does not involve any coding at all. The SCJD does not have EJB coding. The SCJD is using RMI and Swing coding, and some general Java APIs.
Mark

[Bagwan Mehrat]

We should make this a FAQ The SCEA assignment does not involve coding. If you want an assignment with coding, go for the SCJD. If you want to try an assignment with UML, then become an SCEA!