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What's value of Sun J2EE Certifified Architect

 
wlzhang
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Anybody have the experience on that? It seems need to parepare for a lot. A master degree on CS seems have more value.
 
Terry Wang
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never mix a degree with a certificate. a degree shows your formal education in cs fundamentals/theories. a certificate shows you have some "basic" (yeah, basic) understanding(or a little bit hands-on exp.) of current technologies.
neither can guanrantee you a job, but only helps.
when ppl look at your resume, they're still looking for your X years exp. first.
 
wlzhang
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Does that means if you have several years of Java experience, you no need to go for certificate.
 
Terence Doyle
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HI:
I work in Spain and I am contracted out to a client - as are most people here ( sub-contracting is big here ) and my two certifications helped my boss have the confidence to sell me to his clients. For an IT services company to send someone out to a difficult client they often look for extra guarantees before risking their reputation.
It definitely worked for me. ( I'm planning SCEA-I for before Christmas ).
Keep positive. That and your training are entirely in YOUR hands. Getting the right interview for the right project may need a LITTLE luck.
Bye.
Terry
 
Byron Estes
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Maybe we need a test that functions like an SAT test for computer science. The SCEA, I think, has elements of that in that it deals with concepts not only related to J2EE, but to OOD, design patterns and other implementation agnostic computer science concepts as well...
 
Gerald Davis
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An Wang is right about what he is saying. If you are like me you then you like to compare things like certificates (There’s been so many times I have typed Certificate vs. Degree into a web search engine). I think that different qualification means different things to different employers. I think that having more qualification cannot do any harm to your resume. I would love the idea of SCJA having the same value as a masters. I have only completed the first year of bachelors degree, so I turned to doing SCJA until I complete it.
SCJD - completed
SCEA Part I - completed
SCEA Part II - in progress
MCTS (Merton Certified Team Sweepers)- %100
 
Edward Farrow
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what you learn in college is heavier on theory. you will be learning fundamentals of operating systems, not unix. you will be learning fundamentals of distributed systems, not ejb. fundamentals of rdbms, not oracle.
when you get out in the real world, your employer wants a return on his investment (you). so when you walk in there, he wants you to work, not spend 6 months learning ejb and not working on the current projects.
any sun java certification has much more value than the piece of paper and pin sun gives you. it is the knowlege you get along the way to certification. it can even be better than job experience because your job might not have exposed you to all the technologies. for example, my employer have never done anything with corba. thanks to scea, i know about corba and can use it. does your company use uml? scea forces you to learn it.
think back to when you were in college. you go thru topics during the semeseter and feel you understand them. but when prelim time comes, you magically learn more things about the same material you thought you knew and gain more understanding. the prelim helped you learn the material better and in more depth. same with scea and j2ee!
[ September 29, 2002: Message edited by: Edward Farrow ]
 
tom walters
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i hope at least $550 which is the total cost in the usa. do most employers pay for your exam or is it out of your own pocket?
 
Anonymous
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Nowadays, certificates may get you nowhere. I have seen several people have all Java certs and still cannot get anything months after graduation. Experience is the sole measurement now for nailing a job. But when you do not have any way to get experience, use your time to get certs to keep your hope up and readu for the future job market if it will bounce back again (I really doubt it).
 
Mannu Sureka
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Everyone might has his/her own opinion on the value of IT certifications. Here is mine. I think it all depends on what your goals are.
If your goal behind taking a java certification is to learn a new technology or improve your skill in a certain area and if appearing for the certification exams helps you attain those goals then i think its worth the time, money and effort that you spent on the certification process.
On the otherhand, if your only goal is to get a job after getting a certificate then i am not sure if appearing for the certification exam achieves your goal or not.
I take a certification exam as a driving force to improve my skills in a certain area. Appearing for an exam just makes you more disciplined.
 
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