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TechRepublic article on Sun certs - thumbs up on SCEA.

 
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If you're interested, or need a break from studying, take a look at Tech Republic's article.

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I think both of my certifications are pretty much useless pieces of paper.


Well, there you go then. I guess all my work and studies were a waste. I'm glad I found out now.

-Cameron McKenzie
 
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I guess all my work and studies were a waste.

(You didn't add any smilies, so I'm taking this at face value.) Not sure how that would follow from the article. Whether or not a certification is worth anything at all (beyond what is being learned during studying) depends highly upon the job market one is part of. So it should be no surprise that this varies hugely from one person to the next.
 
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The SCEA certification, however, is a completely different story. If you peruse career sites, there are lot of vacancies for which SCEA is considered highly desirable. Developers can only earn this certification after having a lot of experience in software architectural design and working with J2EE, i.e., with a broad range of Java technologies. SCEA is the most attractive certification for developers who are seriously thinking about becoming a software architect. I don�t think the other certifications offer much value.


I'm glad to hear that... at least I'm working in this certification , but let me say something: if you have experience the certification is a plus, if you don't have it, then the certification is the only thing you have... and that's better than nothing.

If you compare the Java certifications with the Microsoft's certifications you will see the differences and why the java are still considered as good ones and why the certifications from microsoft are just a piece of paper (junk).
 
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Originally posted by Juan Pablo Crossley:

If you compare the Java certifications with the Microsoft's certifications you will see the differences and why the java are still considered as good ones and why the certifications from microsoft are just a piece of paper (junk).


You burst my bubble. I'm thinking of getting MCTS for Web Applications late next year.

But for meantime, I think I really need to remove distractions (such as above) so I can finish Part II for both SCEA 5 and the old SCEA.
 
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degrees+certifications are useless without the relevant professional experience, experiences are more useful with the relevant degrees+certifications.
 
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Well, first I read an article telling my my Sun certifications are a waste of paper.

No I hear that my Microsoft MCSE was a waste as well.

Darn.

-Cameron McKenzie
 
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Originally posted by Cameron McKenzie:


Well, there you go then. I guess all my work and studies were a waste. I'm glad I found out now.

-Cameron McKenzie


Cameron,
I think it's worth reading a little farther where it says, "While preparing for these exams, I learned a lot; also, since I was engaged in real production projects at that time, I immediately started applying my newfound knowledge. This is the only reason why I would recommend that Java developers pass the entry- and mid-level exams."

And, "The SCEA certification, however, is a completely different story."

Mind you, this sentence was at the end of the first paragraph: "None of my employers showed interest in looking at my certifications."

So what's it mean?

I think it means that you shouldn't get certified in the hopes it will make your current employer give you a raise (mine didn't) or a new employer hire you. It does mean that you'll learn more about Java and (possibly) get better at what you do - and that might mean a raise or new job.

I had thought the part about the SCEA might be morale boost for people who needed a break. I didn't intend to get anyone depressed.

Sorry about that, chief.
 
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I think it means that you shouldn't get certified in the hopes it will make your current employer give you a raise (mine didn't) or a new employer hire you. It does mean that you'll learn more about Java and (possibly) get better at what you do - and that might mean a raise or new job.


100% agreed. Just one comment, some employers do require some kind of proof (like certificates) when hiring new staff rather than believing what you said you have done blah...blah.
 
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Think in certification as personal satisfaction, new jobs are consequences and not my main goal, if someone think in java certification as piece of paper let them. Knowledgement in java technologies is matter.
 
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does a postgraduate research degree help?
 
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