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Cameron Wallace McKenzie
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I just thought I'd post this in a forum that's a little more travelled.

In the SCEA board, we're all excited about getting results back from the SCEA Beta. However, some are noticing that in order to publish your credentials using Sun's certmanager, you must pay $45.

So, I sorta have two questions:

  • What does it mean to publish your credentials? Where are they published to?
  • When did Sun start charging $45 to do this?


  • Just wondering. Here's one of the forums where the topic came up:

    JavaRanch thread hijacked by Publishing Topic

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    Dawid Augustynowicz
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    Hey Cameron, et al
    If you want to publish your credentials cheeper unselect some of them. It is payed 7,5$ per published credential.
    Regards,
    Dawid
     
    chris zielinski
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    I bit the bullet, paid $7.50 and published the certification to myself. The cost is $7.50 per certification. (Guess I can deduct the charges from my currently overinflated ego on account of becoming a SCEA5!!)

    Publishing just means that who ever you publish the result to gets an official/validated e-mail from "Sun Credential Verification Services" with a link to the certificate and an authorization code.

    The recipient goes to the link, puts in the authorization code and can validate that the results are not fake :-)

    Note that the link is valid only for a few weeks and if after the few weeks you want to publish the certification you have to shell out another $7.50.



    From: Sun Credential Verification Services

    Authorized and requested by: xxxxxxxxxxxx

    <<Custom message from me to the recipient goes here possibly saying "look at me, look at me, see how great I am">>

    This is an official communication providing instructions for verifying xxxxxxxxxxxx Sun credentials.

    Steps to view the Sun credentials xxxxxxxxxxxx has authorized Sun to verify to you:

    1.Click on the URL link below
    2.A web-browser window will open
    3.Enter the authorization code provided below
    4.Agree to the privacy policy terms by checking the box
    5.Click the "submit" button
    6.The authorized credential verification for xxxxxxxxxxxx will be displayed.

    The URL and Authorization Code are specific to this credential verification and will expire.

    URL: https://i7lp.integral7.com:443/durango/status?key=xxxxxxxxxxxx
    Authorization Code: xxxxxxx

    For more information about the Sun credential program, go to http://www.sun.com

    Sun Credential Verification Service is Powered by the Integral7 Credential Bureau (www.integral7.com).
    Powered by the Integral7 Credential Bureau (www.integral7.com)
     
    Theodore Casser
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    I do think it's a little bit ridiculous for them to be charging us for confirmation of our certifications - neither Microsoft nor Zend charge for online confirmation. The only way this'll change is if folks write in and complain.

    As for me.. I'm just going to start using my plastic ID cards as confirmation of my certs when asked.
     
    Marcus Jastrebowski
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    At the risk of sounding obtuse, really what is the big deal about the "published credentials"? I would imagine that indicating your SCEA status on your CV/Resume is sufficient for the purpose of employment seeking. Your certification status is after all easily verifiable, I would guess by doing a screen print from results database, or showing off the paper certification Sun sends us, etc.. I certainly do believe that SCEA certification is a great accomplishment, and I am not trying to diminish it at all (in fact that's why I'm studying), but I really don't get the idea of published credentials at all. Perhaps it's the cynic in me! Or is there maybe some special magic touch that Sun applies in the process of publishing credentials? Is it especially pretty, shiny, or otherwise attractive looking? It seems that Sun thinks so... Hence the price. Could somebody enlighten me what I would miss if I chose not to publish my credentials? I'm relatively new here, so I don't quite get it I guess

    Cheers.
     
    jeremias lacanienta
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    Originally posted by Theodore Casser:
    I do think it's a little bit ridiculous for them to be charging us for confirmation of our certifications - neither Microsoft nor Zend charge for online confirmation. The only way this'll change is if folks write in and complain.


    i agree! i published my credentials a couple of times previously without costing me a penny when they offered this for free. can't imagine how they come up with the 7.50usd.

    jerry
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    Theodore Casser
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    Originally posted by Marcus Jastrebowski:
    At the risk of sounding obtuse, really what is the big deal about the "published credentials"?

    The big deal is really more a matter of having something that is "official" that represents proof directly from a third party that you are not claiming credentials to which you are not entitled.
    I don't see why anyone would do so, but it isn't really that hard to make something that looks like a score report (and I, personally, refuse to divulge my scores to employers/clients). I have, on the other hand, had clients who were satisfied with receiving confirmation from the vendors that I had passed their certification test...
    It's kind of hit or miss, depending on the situation.
     
    Jim Doyle
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    If a prospect is asking for scores, rest assured if you win the bid or the
    gig that you will be CONSTANTLY in conflict with either the PM or the Project Sponsor over requirements, billable time and other minutiae.

    What makes you think someone asking to see scores isnt also going to ask you to spend more time justifying your billed time than actually using
    your time to complete deliverables?

    Dont bother and move on. Life is too short to deal with project management
    subject to untreated personality disorders.
     
    Morten Franorge
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    Originally posted by Jim Doyle:

    What makes you think someone asking to see scores isnt also going to ask you to spend more time justifying your billed time than actually using
    your time to complete deliverables?


    That is actually a very good point. Never thought about that, and I have never been asked to present the scores, but it make sense.

    I think they have included that feature as it seems faking resumes is a problem in India. And this way you have a photoshop safe way of verifying the certifications.

    They don't display the scores on these verifications, do they? I tested it a while back, when it was free, and I can't remember seeing the scores.
     
    Cameron Wallace McKenzie
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    Originally posted by Jim Doyle:
    If a prospect is asking for scores...

    Dont bother and move on.


    I think having a verification service isn't such a bad idea, but I agree completely about an employer that will got to lengths to inspect your background.

    I've been in the game a while, and I get on some pretty decent paying contracts, and I was talking a friend and mentioned how none of my employers have even asked for a reference. I haven't been asked for a reference in about 3 years. (Given, I do contracts, so if they don't like me, they can just end my contract - not like firing a full time employee.) My friend said it was really a sign of corporate respect. I mean, if they give you some tough interviews, and they see your body of published work, calling ex-girlfriends and former lovers really isn't always necessary.

    -Cameron McKenzie
     
    Marcus Jastrebowski
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    The big deal is really more a matter of having something that is "official" that represents proof directly from a third party that you are not claiming credentials to which you are not entitled.
    I don't see why anyone would do so, but it isn't really that hard to make something that looks like a score report (and I, personally, refuse to divulge my scores to employers/clients).


    Hi Theodore,

    Thanks for this explanation. So should I infer that the "official" credentials are impossible, or should I say very hard, to cheat, crack, beat or duplicate without permission by an unscrupulous job seeker?

    Actually, this is all very interesting. In my past life, over several years, I was responsible for hiring Java developers, but the issue of cheating on resume was never my biggest concern when finding qualified employees. Any inconsistencies/discrepancies usually surfaced early during interview, conversations, follow-up assignments and through careful profiling of candidates. As for documentation, on occasions, I asked to see college transcripts of somebody who claimed to have had exceptionally high GPA. But perhaps I was naive and only very lucky to have hired some great people, and perhaps there are some really skillful java con artists (actors) out there. I have never met one though!

    Cheers,
    M
     
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    Originally posted by Marcus Jastrebowski:
    So should I infer that the "official" credentials are impossible, or should I say very hard, to cheat, crack, beat or duplicate without permission by an unscrupulous job seeker?

    I think that nothing is 'impossible' to crack or falsify if one has the determination to do so.
    That said, I happen to like Zend (PHP) and Microsoft's solution for the issue of confirmation - the confirmation is through the vendor's own site, with minimal action required by the candidate. Sun's wasn't horrible - having the candidate authorize them to send an email with a code to release the details - but the idea of charging kind of sticks in my craw. And it's not just with certifications that this happens - I know that when I have been dealing with my security checks for my current contract gig, I had to have my university send them (directly) my transcript, as they would not accept one that I hand delivered on the theory that I could easily have an opportunity to fake it or alter it. (Which sucks when you realize I pass my alma mater en route to the client site, but such is life.)
    I think that in the end, it's a matter of trust, between trusting a candidate who has every reason to present themselves in the most positive sense possible, or a neutral third party. In quite a few situations.. I tend to favor the neutral third. It's like references - always helps to hear it from someone else.
     
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    Originally posted by Cameron Wallace McKenzie:

    I was talking a friend and mentioned how none of my employers have even asked for a reference. I haven't been asked for a reference in about 3 years. (Given, I do contracts, so if they don't like me, they can just end my contract - not like firing a full time employee.) My friend said it was really a sign of corporate respect.

    That is important.

    Asking for reference show the lack of judgment (Do you need to see a reference to realize that my ability is real?).
     
    sanjay sahu
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    Paying for publishing...This is crap.
    I have published it before for free.
    Why doesnt sun have online verification method as BrainBench has !?
     
    Jeff Walker
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    Originally posted by Kengkaj Sathianpantarit:

    That is important.

    Asking for reference show the lack of judgment (Do you need to see a reference to realize that my ability is real?).



    References are useless.
    Ever seen a bad one?

    References are like Lake Wobegone. "Where all the women are strong, all the men are handsome, and all the children are above average".
    -jeff
     
    Morten Franorge
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    Seems it is now free again.
     
    Theodore Casser
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    Originally posted by Morten Franorge:
    Seems it is now free again.

    I'd suspect more that it's a lack of demand if it's true. (I haven't yet gone to look.) Personally, I just started taking to carrying my certification cards with me when I had to provide evidence of passage of exams to someone.

    Just was absolutely silly to have us paying for it, after the amount we pay for exams....
     
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