We talked for about half an hour. She took full responsibility for things getting out of hand and she said she thought we were a cool site.
It was about as ultimate as the whole thing could get. And to top it off, she was a really nice person. Sometimes those executive types can seem really icky, but she didn't seem that way at all.
I asked her to write an e-mail to me that I could share here, so we could all know where Sun stands. She's done that and I pasted it in below.
After everything was settled, she made a humble request to take out the other thread. Normally I'm against doing that sort of thing, but I thought that since she was being so good about fixing this mess, it does seem like the right thing to do.
Here is her e-mail:
Thanks so much for making the time to speak with me today. It's very
clear that the situation with the use of the JavaRanch name and the
attendant brand issues were fraught with miscommunication and got
terribly out of hand.
I am glad that we were able to have an open and honest discussion and
to reach an agreement that I think will benefit everyone, not the least
of which is the Java developer.
Let me say that we want the community that has been built around
JavaRanch to be able to continue to use the name on the site. To do so
helps all of us promote this great technology and brand.
I think we can work through the branding and trademark issues in the
next couple of months such that you are able to preserve the public
forum that's been built and we are managing the brand/trademark in a
way that is positive and open - in the spirit of the technology
I will follow up with you post JavaOne to see what we can do about
structuring a free licensing agreement with the site and again, thanks
for being open and understanding the issues behind this delimma but
most importantly working through them to get to a solution that works
Please don't hesitate to call me directly if you find you have and
questions moving forward.
Some people, including me, have deleted their own posts because of some reason. The person who send the email has not that option to delete his text, because its included in the post of another person (Paul Wheaton). Posting the email was good even for Sun, because it helped them to overthink their CI-policy.
What about offering Sun to delete the post only, if the guys responsible have to do some social work: Enforcing javaranch name policy in all forums for, say, 10 weeks.
still not against some m$.meTooProduct.C#/.net forums
Originally posted by shailesh sonavadekar:
axel , Paul is no another person. he is owner of this site , who has born & brought this child ( javaranch ) with his blood along with all great sheriffs , bartenders & many more people.
[ March 23, 2002: Message edited by: shailesh sonavadekar ]
Shailesh I know and I really, really apreciate his work. I just wanted to say that the guy who send the email obviously has made a mistake. And he had no opportunity to correct that mistake.
Maybe I expressed myself in an ambigous way, sorry.
Thought it would be clear that Paul Wheaton comes direct after Tim Berner Lee and James Gosling.
[ March 23, 2002: Message edited by: Axel Janssen ]
Another branch of the company which could be enlisted in the cause is the Sun Education folks. My personal guess is that a *lot* of their revenues have been directly generated by this site.
Please keep us all posted regarding any changes to the status of this subject!
Regards, Guy Allard
However, being slightly paranoid, I feel I should ask the question: Is it possible that they're saying "We'll finish this after JAvaOne" to avoid having the topic brought up publicly?
I hope not especially when other Java User groups get to use the word Java in their name.
I'll check here again before the "FireSide chat" tonight...
<paranoia off>I'm glad that things are working out! I'd hate to lose this valuable resource!!
Details are to be worked out in a few weeks. But we talked about several details and for now my impression is that Tracey likes the way we do things now and wants us to continue on our merry way. The vibe I got is that she's going to say "please" instead of "or else".
Regards and best wishes