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Siva
Co-Author - SCMAD Exam Guide - ISBN:9780070077881
Author - Java certification success, Part 4: SCEA
SCJP 1.4, SCWCD 1.3, SCBCD 1.3, SCMAD, SCDJWS
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Prerequisites: Sun Certified Programmer for the Java 2 Platform (any edition)
Exam type: Multiple choice, drag and drop
Number of questions: 68
Pass score: 55% (38 of 68 questions)
Time limit: 150 minutes
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Eduardo Rodrigues<br />SCJP 1.4/5.0 SCWCD 1.3/1.4, SCBCD 1.3, SCMAD, SCEA<br />IBM 484 & 486<br />Belo Horizonte<br />Minas Gerais<br />Brasil
Originally posted by Eduardo Rodrigues:
I prefer don't pass to accept such ridiculous pass score!
Disapointed again...
Why the Sun's certifications are so easy to pass???
Bye
Eduardo Rodrigues<br />SCJP 1.4/5.0 SCWCD 1.3/1.4, SCBCD 1.3, SCMAD, SCEA<br />IBM 484 & 486<br />Belo Horizonte<br />Minas Gerais<br />Brasil
SCJP 1.4, SCWCD 1.3, SCBCD 1.3, SCMAD, SCDJWS
SCJP 1.2, OCP 9i DBA, SCWCD 1.3, SCJP 1.4 (SAI), SCJD 1.4, SCWCD 1.4 (Beta), ICED (IBM 287, IBM 484, IBM 486), SCMAD 1.0 (Beta), SCBCD 1.3, ICSD (IBM 288), ICDBA (IBM 700, IBM 701), SCDJWS, ICSD (IBM 348), OCP 10g DBA (Beta), SCJP 5.0 (Beta), SCJA 1.0 (Beta), MCP(70-270), SCBCD 5.0 (Beta), SCJP 6.0, SCEA for JEE5 (in progress)
Also, Sun made relevant changes on the certification learning path diagram. A pretty cool view.![]()
SCJP 1.2, OCP 9i DBA, SCWCD 1.3, SCJP 1.4 (SAI), SCJD 1.4, SCWCD 1.4 (Beta), ICED (IBM 287, IBM 484, IBM 486), SCMAD 1.0 (Beta), SCBCD 1.3, ICSD (IBM 288), ICDBA (IBM 700, IBM 701), SCDJWS, ICSD (IBM 348), OCP 10g DBA (Beta), SCJP 5.0 (Beta), SCJA 1.0 (Beta), MCP(70-270), SCBCD 5.0 (Beta), SCJP 6.0, SCEA for JEE5 (in progress)
Originally posted by Nicholas Cheung:
SUN will add one more after May.![]()
Nick
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Spot false dilemmas now, ask me how!
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Originally posted by Bert Bates:
Just curious for those of you who think that 55% is too low a passing rate, what percentage of candidates do you think should pass the test?
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Spot false dilemmas now, ask me how!
(If you're not on the edge, you're taking up too much room.)
Spot false dilemmas now, ask me how!
(If you're not on the edge, you're taking up too much room.)
See? That's just what I'm getting at! So I'm putting it out there to you guys first - If 100 beta candidates take the beta, how many should pass?
Siva
Co-Author - SCMAD Exam Guide - ISBN:9780070077881
Author - Java certification success, Part 4: SCEA
Eduardo Rodrigues<br />SCJP 1.4/5.0 SCWCD 1.3/1.4, SCBCD 1.3, SCMAD, SCEA<br />IBM 484 & 486<br />Belo Horizonte<br />Minas Gerais<br />Brasil
Originally posted by Eduardo Rodrigues:
I think 70%...
Spot false dilemmas now, ask me how!
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Eduardo Rodrigues<br />SCJP 1.4/5.0 SCWCD 1.3/1.4, SCBCD 1.3, SCMAD, SCEA<br />IBM 484 & 486<br />Belo Horizonte<br />Minas Gerais<br />Brasil
SCJP 1.2, OCP 9i DBA, SCWCD 1.3, SCJP 1.4 (SAI), SCJD 1.4, SCWCD 1.4 (Beta), ICED (IBM 287, IBM 484, IBM 486), SCMAD 1.0 (Beta), SCBCD 1.3, ICSD (IBM 288), ICDBA (IBM 700, IBM 701), SCDJWS, ICSD (IBM 348), OCP 10g DBA (Beta), SCJP 5.0 (Beta), SCJA 1.0 (Beta), MCP(70-270), SCBCD 5.0 (Beta), SCJP 6.0, SCEA for JEE5 (in progress)
Eduardo Rodrigues<br />SCJP 1.4/5.0 SCWCD 1.3/1.4, SCBCD 1.3, SCMAD, SCEA<br />IBM 484 & 486<br />Belo Horizonte<br />Minas Gerais<br />Brasil
Cheers, Sathya Srinivasan - SCJP 1.2, SCWCD 1.2, SCMAD 1.0
Co-Author of Whizlabs SCMAD Certification Exam Simulator and SCMAD Exam Guide Book
Originally posted by Sathya Srinivasan:
I can see two ways out of this.
1. Sun should revise the pass percentage on a periodic basis so that future test takers find passing the exam relatively difficult. I believe the exam versioning mechanism, although a money-making scheme, also helps alleviate this problem indirectly.
2. Sun should provide a grade along with the score and make it mandatory to display a score when people say the passed a certification, much like standard exam. This can potentially be controversial since people who pass the exam with, say, 60% would not be happy to tout that they got a C on the exam. But it will definitely be fair to those who passed the exam with 95%
Theodore Casser
Code Poet
This can potentially be controversial
Cheers, Sathya Srinivasan - SCJP 1.2, SCWCD 1.2, SCMAD 1.0
Co-Author of Whizlabs SCMAD Certification Exam Simulator and SCMAD Exam Guide Book
Originally posted by Sathya Srinivasan:
... the beta exam would be perceived as a tough exam. However, as time goes, I would expect J2ME (hopefully) to gain more mass and that people would starting working in J2ME, thereby developing practical knowledge. Once that happens, the exam would not look as tough as the beta testers felt and hence might pass easily, thereby breaking the statistical analysis.
One more observation I can make from this thread is that there is a perceived value to a pass percentage. Most of us, regardless of which country we are in (I studied in India and in USA), have developed a notion that 70% - 80% and above (A or B grade) is a good score. To suddenly see 55% as a pass score (equivalent to a D) creates a psychological feeling that the exam is not strict enough.
1. Sun should revise the pass percentage on a periodic basis so that future test takers find passing the exam relatively difficult. I believe the exam versioning mechanism, although a money-making scheme, also helps alleviate this problem indirectly.
2. Sun should provide a grade along with the score and make it mandatory to display a score when people say the passed a certification, much like standard exam. This can potentially be controversial since people who pass the exam with, say, 60% would not be happy to tout that they got a C on the exam. But it will definitely be fair to those who passed the exam with 95%
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Spot false dilemmas now, ask me how!
(If you're not on the edge, you're taking up too much room.)
SCJP 1.2, OCP 9i DBA, SCWCD 1.3, SCJP 1.4 (SAI), SCJD 1.4, SCWCD 1.4 (Beta), ICED (IBM 287, IBM 484, IBM 486), SCMAD 1.0 (Beta), SCBCD 1.3, ICSD (IBM 288), ICDBA (IBM 700, IBM 701), SCDJWS, ICSD (IBM 348), OCP 10g DBA (Beta), SCJP 5.0 (Beta), SCJA 1.0 (Beta), MCP(70-270), SCBCD 5.0 (Beta), SCJP 6.0, SCEA for JEE5 (in progress)
Originally posted by Bert Bates:
A bit of wild speculation on my part...
I'll ask Evelyn if she might consider watching the exam for a couple of months, and perhaps consider raising the passing percentage a bit once more materials are available. My guess is that this would probably run into some legal snags. For sure, Sun factors in the survey results when setting the passing rate.
Theodore Casser
Code Poet
<img src="cool.gif" border="0"> <img src="graemlins/beerchug.gif" border="0" alt="[beerchug]" /> <br />SCJP 1.4
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