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certification for Web Services

 
Ricardo Polero Baraldi
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Kathy, sorry maybe this question too should not be posted here.. but maybe you know about Sun's plan to release one certification for Web Services ?
I think a lot people are interesting on it
 
Andrew Perepelytsya
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Well, my opinion it's still all a lot of boler-plate. Just look at Sun - J2EE 1.4 release is delayed for the n-th time, because they want to agree on Basic Profile interop. I agree it's right, rush will only kill the effort.
Think about all other problems yet to resolve and standardise - security, state, etc.
If I were Sun I would stay away from creating cert exam on WS, but work closely with partners (as they do actually ).
Take a look at all the emergin' WS standards. Only naming all abbreviations will take lots of time: WS-I, DSML, SAML, WSBPEL, WSIF, dozens more.
There's still nothing to test for, IMO. I'm sure there will be a cert for WS, but definitely not now. Probably, 1-2 years from now, I wouldn't consider it to be earlier. Put yourself in the employers chair - what is this certification all about if there are still major changes going on every day? And don't forget, that from Sep 2002, the validity of Sun'c certs is only 2 years.
Having said that, I still join the question and would know SunEd's position on the subject.
 
Kathy Sierra
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Howdy -- there is talk of a Web Services exam, but nothing concrete. No real plan or date, as far as I know, just the idea that there will probably be a Web Services exam in the future. You will not see it anytime soon... the next two things that will probably happen are:
* Update of the SCEA exam
* Update of the Web exam
(not necessarily in that order)
But things can always change at a moment's notice
The EJB exam took us (happily) by surprise, after having been on hold for a long time.
cheers,
Kathy
 
Fisher Daniel
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Dear Kathy
Actually I will take SCWCD exam next week...
Is it the right time to take that exam? Or I should wait until the new realease of next SCWCD?
thanks
daniel
 
Kathy Sierra
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I would probably take the Web exam now. The updated version might not be out until the fall sometime, I'm guessing November or December, but I might be off. I am almost certain that it will not be out before October.
So, unless it really matters to you that you take the exam for that new spec, you might as well go ahead now if you're ready (and it sounds like you are).
(And FYI -- I've heard from the lead developer of that exam that he expects it to get a little harder with the next release)
Of course, if you *do* wait, I believe that a really fun, kick-butt study guide will be released for the new exam.
cheers,
Kathy
 
Al Newman
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Sun's exam plans make a lot of sense. There has been one gaping hole in the exam lineup, the lack of a non vendor-specific EJB exam. Sun is now plugging it.
An update of the Architects exam is an obvious #2, as the current one is growing fungus. The SCWCD is a little out of date but not too bad. The only thing obviously missing is Struts I think.
In the nebulous future I see two possible ideas, the Web Services exam and a J2ME exam. Seems to me that a Sun Web Services exam is a bad idea for several reasons.
Given the fact the Web Services are not a Java-specific standard this may well be better handled as an industry consortium sort of thing, perhaps as a CIW exam. If testing the JAX API is considered desireable, why not graft JAX into the project for the next version of the SCJD exam?
I think a J2ME exam is a great idea, but only when the others are out of the way.
[ May 23, 2003: Message edited by: Alfred Neumann ]
 
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