Originally posted by stara szkapa:
Therefore if someone got certified without having any experience but only knowledge obtained by studying certification manual, such certification might not have much value for some employers.
Originally posted by Vishy Raman:
I wouldn't really agree to the comment that certification is just a piece of paper. In fact, in this competitive world, employers are giving more value to the certifications nowadays. Being in the consulting world, it is becoming a sales pitch to mention the number of certified people in the company.
I do agree that just having certification and not having any real world experience will be of much help. But just consider two people who have same number of years experience, and one person has more certification than the other, obviously the person who has the certification will be better off. Certification QUANTIFIES the skill set.
"When the going gets tough, the tough get going"
Originally posted by HS Thomas:
What about the distinction between different organisation's certifications.
Personally I think Sun's Certifications are much more valuable than any other certifications I know of (MS, Oracle).
This was justified when I saw some US Online Universities (accredited by the same bodies accrediting the Big 10)giving points as credits to their Master's programmes. Sun Certs averaged 20 points(SCJP 16, the rest 20) while Oracle got only 4 (all theirs were 4 points).
I was a bit disapointed with the IBM OOAD cert when I looked at it a year ago. I expected more from IBM. Their other certs are more product related.I'm not sure how *good* it is to learn concepts wih a product.
I also think the Sun SCEA is better.There is just that much more room for expression and development.
[ July 04, 2003: Message edited by: HS Thomas ]
Those revenues also looking for good grade standing too.
The alumni connection is more reliable, but make sure the alumni member has hiring authority not just his friends barely joined the company.
There was a recent article in Computerworld (I think), and many CEOs did not believe that certifications meant anything. The reasoning was made that since major consulting firms were running crash/cram courses and many of the certified people couldn't even write the code.
I have run into a few in my day, and don't like being around them.
According to Rosenblum, educational institutions are often creating the lag by offering courses that are not realistic relative to market demands. "They will typically offer courses and certifications in technologies that are already outdated or for which there is already a glut of talent in the market, such as MCSE or HTML developers," she says.
SCBCD,SCEA, also OCP DBA as I am interested in Database and programming would that help me to get accepted??
I was aiming to do a master degree(postgraduate programme) but I was officially declined by the universities( University Of Sydney and uni of New South Wales) because of my low avg grades.
I would like to know if I have several certifications say like more than 6 inlcuding high level ones such as SCBCD,SCEA, also OCP DBA as I am interested in Database and programming would that help me to get accepted??
because it was my goal this year to get a master degree from a good university.
by the way we were never taught J2EE in the bachelor degree only like one or two powerpint slides on what it is.
Microsoft Certified Professional,
Microsoft Certified Database Administrator,
Microsoft Certified System Administrator,
Sun Certified Programmer for the Java 2 Platform 1.4,
Sun Certified Web Component Developer for Java 2 Enterprise Edition.