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Originally posted by Pradeep Bhat:
Kathy and Bert have posted mock question in this forum. They are relly helpful.
Juan Rolando Prieur-Reza, M.S., LSSBB, SCEA, SCBCD, SCWCD, SCJP/1.6, IBM OOAD, SCSA
I dont agree with you !
I used only EJB specification, it has all U need.
Originally posted by Randall Stevens:
And can you tell me how much experience in EJBs do you have? I studied the specification as did many others that did not pass, I have 2 years of EJB experience prior to the EJB 2.0 spec. I think the roles may have been what did me in, but won't know until I get my letter from Sun with the breakdown.
Originally posted by Randall Stevens:
Does that mean that your score of 90% was just luck and not knowledge?
If so does that mean you agree that certifications do not mean anything?
Originally posted by john prieur:
I missed that posting. Would you kindly tell us where that is? a link?
Thanks
John
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I guess you did not study it properly
Persons who failed may also know the right resources/links required for the exam. They may have failed due to other reasons.
Originally posted by Randall Stevens:
...I think the roles may have been what did me in...
Stop me if I start going all Dilbert on you... </plug>
Well, entity beans *are* staying in the spec, for at least the next two years
This understanding of roles is as close as the *current* SCBCD exam comes to testing on best-practices, for example. Since we don't test on patterns (next version of the exam will, I think), but we do expect you to know, for example, which aspects of a bean can (and should) be modified at deploy time, rather than hard-coded into the bean. For example, understanding the point in the process (and the role responsible) where mapping references happens, might seem subtle and trivial, but it's a fundamental part of what the J2EE team considers one of the most important aspects of the J2EE application programming model.
Originally posted by Eric Ma:
With due respect, I have to disagree.
I know entity beans are staying in the EJB spec, but let me ask this: among the people who took the SCBCD beta exam, how many are using them in the way Sun envisions people to use entity beans, i.e, as distributed components?
Ah... different issue
The debate about whether they *should* be is better suited for the EJB forum, not this cert prep forum. Our job is here is to help those who are going to take the exam, which at this point is already finalized. Your opinion about whether people should *not* take the exam is important for this forum, but any other debate about the value of the technology itself should move to the EJB forum.
As for the role questions, we don't believe there are separate job titles, or separate people doing these tasks. This is more about the 'hats' a developer wears, and the stages of development. The J2EE team (and others) do believe that component-based development *is* increasing, and that the longer the application programming model exists, the more likely it is that components will begin to see more reuse. In these still-early days, more components are being created just-in-time to fulfill the needs of an application, where the future *hope* is that as more applications are developed in the future, beans built for those earlier apps will begin to be recruited into service again, in which case it *will* be much more likely that the development of the component and the assembly into an app can be very distinct stages (and people).
But keep in mind too that this *is* a Sun exam
I'm not in any way connected to the J2EE team, but I do know that both Sun PS and the J2EE team are heavily connected to customers -- both bean developers and server vendors -- so they are heavily responsible for listening and responding to customer feedback.
I suspect that other non-Sun EJB certification exams will have a different mix and emphasis of topics, so it really depends on what someone's goal is in taking the exam.
In any case, I think people have become too excited about the role questions, because there appeared to be so many of them on the beta exam. One could pass the exam without ever glancing at the parts of the spec dealing with roles, because there are SO few questions about it.
So while I personally think they're important, and I know what we at least *believed* we were testing for (understanding of the process, not so much who does what), nobody should really get too worked up about these questions. If you hate the whole idea, then simply skip it.
It *is* true that it would probably be impossible to pass without sufficient entity bean knowledge, though. But again, anyone who is interested in the exam, at this point, will have to accept what is in the specification, since it is a Sun exam.
Your opinion, Eric, on value of the certification *does* belong in this forum, but debates about the technologies themselves belong in the EJB forum rather than here in the cert prep forum. If the issue is about what exactly IS on the exam, there isn't anything we can do about that here -- the exam is complete, and we're stuck with it for at least the next 18 months. If the J2EE team and Sun PS have a different view of the world at that point, based on their close relationships with developer customers, then the exam will certainly change to reflect that. But there isn't anything we can do *here* except prepare for the current exam as it is now.
If you have feedback on the exam topics, this is not the place -- but I STRONGLY encourage you to write directly to Sun certification. They take comments very seriously (I know, sometimes I'm the one who has to answer the customer, and I get in a world of trouble if I'm not quick about it
cheers and thanks,
Kathy
Originally posted by siju odeyemi:
Just wanted to say Hi, I've never spoken to a Java celebrity before!
Originally posted by Kathy Sierra:
<plug>Did you know you can take a Caribbean cruise and certification course for SCBCD... at the same time? I'm teaching an SCBCD certification preparation course on the next Java Jam IV GeekCruise. You can take the class *and* the cruise for less than a typical five-day IT course. Ask me for details
Regard,<br />Michael<br />SCJP 1.2, SCJP 1.4, SCWCD 1.3, SCBCD 1.3, SCJA 1.0
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