what do you think?

[tyler jewell]

1. Is it possible to pass SCBCD for a person who has zero coding experience in EJB?

2. Can one pass this test without compiling and running a single EJbean.(like Scwcd)
3.Does passing SCBCD mean that you can program EJB's.(i don't mean Hello World) or its just about basic's.(beginner level)

Thanks.

[Sandeep Chaturvedi]

Tyler,
My views:
1. I cleared the exam and I have very little coding experience with Entity Beans (with no intention to ever use it).
2. You can pass any exam with zero coding experience unless you have to code in the exam hall!
3.It depends on the experience level.

[Anonymous]

THE Tyler Jewell?
I cannot comment fully on your items 1 and 2, having yet to take the SCBCD exam. Item 3, however seems to be akin to many other conversations I've heard regarding certification.

Does passing SCBCD mean that you can program EJB's

Yes, you can program an EJB. Can you design one? No, not yet.
Does the certification help you build the background knowledge needed to better understand EJBs? Yes. Is it as good as hands-on production experience? No where near as good. But if you're not doing EJBs at work (for whatever reason), you have to start somewhere.
I've heard that a specific complaint of technical interviewers/hiring managers is that some interviewees who have certifications think it imparts instant expertise.
For me, it demonstrates dedication to this line of work. The SCWCD, for example, touched on several things that our day-to-day webapp development at work did not. I worked on webapps before the exam and after. My eyes were opened to several new things as a result of the exam. A better view of the landscape.
The SCBCD will be my structured introduction to EJBs. Once I've taken it, EJB concepts and terminology thrown about at work will have something better to stick to.
[ August 29, 2003: Message edited by: Erick Reid ]

[Steve Agarwal]

I agree with one thing.
Though I might not be working on all the tech ( be it what ever the buzz word ) but in a small time frame I get a over all idea of the stuff.
AS per the hiring is concerned. Why is one so worried about it.
I have seen that while working on project we skip so many rich parts and thoughts of API's that we are limited in scope to what we have been given.
Apart from this if you see from a project point of view then almost all the project uses same old books ( limited in number and very popular ). Just some crazy publishing house keep bringin out many a versions to earn money. So if one has a good graps of why / how of the stuff ( I admire KATHY for showing this in SCJP book } then one would definetly have better view of tacking vivid and challenging problems.
Its always said "Copy and be creative", "Coding is art". Lets enjoy the fun rather than kill by political debates.
I we all keep evealuating time vs money investment. Thus we keep buggin overselves with certificates vs experienced ( hiring vs market needs )
enjoy world of coding and concepts
abhishek

[Davide Zanichelli]

As far as it concerns me, it is possible to pass exam with no working experience with EJB 2.0, and even regarding EJB 1.1 the projects i was working on or heard about, they were simply using session beans and toplink or some other persistency layer, so i don't think they were full J2EE projects. In fact I was wondering how many "real" J2EE projects exist around in production... maybe if you are the Tyler Jewell i think, you should have better figures than me...
[ August 31, 2003: Message edited by: Davide Zanichelli ]

[Sam Cala]

Davide,
No doubt, J2EE projects exist in software market today. And it is the fav. platform for any enterprise/financial/production level projects. Just that you hv'nt had an opportunity to work on some 'real' J2EE projects doesn't mean they dont exist. Projects on these platforms are definitely there though nowadays focus is shifted from development work to enhancement work.
This is what my view is !

[ August 31, 2003: Message edited by: Sam Cala ]

[Davide Zanichelli]

i guess i need more luck...