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Is there any point to this cert?

 
mike acre
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If you intend to do SCEA which covers EJB is there anything to gain by doing this one?
 
Rob unavailable
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It depends.

The SCEA covers EJB at a very high level. It's focused on architectural and high-level design concepts related to EJB. It's not intended for developers.

On the other the SCBCD exam is a highly-detailed exam that's relevant for individuals how will be coding EJBs.

So, it depends on your role and what you want to learn.

I passed the SCEA and am studying for the SCBCD. I want to understand J2EE at all levels.
 
mike acre
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My role is unfriggingemployedintheITsector

I have never had an IT job of any description.

I am trying to change career. (ex pharmaceutical chemical analyst, currently lecturer during change).

I have a non-IT degree but I am currently getting another of the correct flavour. The only drawback is I'm 35 and won't graduate (again!) until I'm 38!!

I have SCJP & SCJD, well waiting for result on latter.

I have a good understanding of UML and systems design and have hobbied Java for 4 years (which amounts to 4 yrs full time) though unfortunately not the crucial commercial experience.

I really want to be a programmer, but who knows eventually I may want to be architect, though I have no passion for a huge salary, just want to enjoy a job, hence career change.

My J2EE is servlets/jsp/jdbc but no EJB.

I really want SCEA ultimately but am willing to go via SCBCD and SCWCD if it will give me an easier ride and help with SCEA even though I appreciate they are target differently.

I think, since I already no a fair bit of JSP/Servlet then SCWCD will be the easiest for me, but I'd like to get the 'mulling over' process started in areas I'm completely ignorant of, so perhaps SCBCD would be the best choice.

The only book I have is J2EE Technology in Practise (Cattell/Inscore) - is this deemed any good?

Is there a sun EJB tutorial - to get something simple up and running, yes I know I can surf for it but what the hell and while I am it etc...
 
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FORGET EJB 2.1, IT'S THE WORST INVESTMENT YOU CAN DO
 
fggdfdgg gdsgfdgfgd
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there ISN'T any point to this cert
 
Kathy Sierra
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Howdy -- we don't have many rules around the ranch, but our Naming Policy is one of them

So, "fggdfdgg", you really need to change yours: Edit Your Name.

Thanks!
-Kathy
 
T. Anthony Chen
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Hi, Mike.

I am on a similar path as you in terms of getting certified. After SCJD I plan to do SCBCD. I want do finish both SCBCD and SCWCD before I take SCEA.

I have been a software developer for more than 10 years and I think it is not very common for someone being only an architect without writing any code. I looked at SCEA before and very thing is very high level. I felt that if I really want to do it first, I should still be able to pass it. But passing the SCBCD and SCWCD first will take care of the fundation and will make it easier for SCEA.

Passing SCEA without knowing how to code EJB and JSP/Servlet, is like, well, some of those CS graduate students during the high tech boom a few years back. These folks had non-computer related undergraduate degrees but decided to jump on to the computer bandwagon. A lot of them got their CS masters by picking all those high level graduate courses but lack the basic programming skills. Many of them had a really hard time later working as a software developer.

My 2 cents
 
mike acre
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Yes that makes sense.
I am very programming centric, and I will learn EJB etc at that level, so I might as well get the cert while I'm at it. I think I'll put the SCEA on hold. But there are 3 certs and $$$ for SCBCD, SCWCD, SCDJWS. Does SCEA benefit from SCDJWS material? or is it hjust the 1st two?
 
T. Anthony Chen
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Unless they have changed the SCEA objectives recently, I don't think SCEA covers anything about web services. I read Mark Cade's SCEA book before, I don't recall it even mentioning web servcies at all. By web servcies I am talking strictly about WSDL/UDDI/SOAP stuff. That is what I expect in SCDJWS.
 
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The Architect Exam is going to be updated, although I don't have the exact details. You can probably expect to see Web Services on the new version though, and probably less on code-level details of enterprise beans.

You do have to know a fair amount of EJB for the *current* architect exam, although it is MUCH less than what's required for the SCBCD exam.

Cheers,
Kathy
 
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Would we see a beta SCEA this year?
 
Kathy Sierra
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No, I seriously doubt the beta will happen before the end of the year, although it is *remotely* possible... but this exam is much more complex and involved, so the revisions will take time. And they might do the beta in stages rather than all at once.

cheers,
Kathy
 
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