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When I click on this thread I am getting "what is bartender,ranch hand .. " thread! Is it only me?
 
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lol
me too
 
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You're not alone....
 
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Sorry, I'll try to post it again... Don't know, what really happened there... Actually, what I propose is a forum for MS VS.Net and related issues, regardless the fact that many pure-Java lobbysts deny any reason and validity for existence for any MS product(and speciafically VS.Net). It might happen, that .Net and Java gonna coexist on the market, with each of them on its share of the IT market. I remember a conversation with one programmer about 5-6 years ago. He hated new Win 95 interface(just like he hated Win 3.1 before that, saying that real programmers use only MS-DOS in Windows environment). The conversation was aabout VisualAge for Java. He said, that if you know your stuff, you should only use notepad-like tools for your development purposes and so on, so on.. People afraid of the new stuff, hang on to what they know best. Why, I don't know. Do they feel it's a threat to what they know best? Maybe. They scared to learn in completely new direction - it's not likely for developers, learning new stuff all the time. So why this MS bashing? Let's ask our sheriffs to provide this forum for those who's intrested.
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Hi guys.
Me too facing the same problem
Well, its a good idea for developing forum for VS.Net.But i think Javaranch administration will not implement this idea.They not only love Java infact, They Love Java from the core of their hearts.In my personal opinion a developer should not be platform specific, rather a developer is a versatile developer of variety of platforms.
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Recommendations for the JavaRanch site are best made in the particular forum entitled "JavaRanch".
"People afraid of the new stuff, hang on to what they know best."
I don't know if you can get away with trying to make the people here feel closed-minded for rejecting one technology or another. Many Ranchers are known to regularly learn new techonologies -- even to enjoy doing it. Yet they still prove honest critics and won't welcome something simply because it is different.
 
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Originally posted by David Weitzman:
I don't know if you can get away with trying to make the people here feel closed-minded for rejecting one technology or another. Many Ranchers are known to regularly learn new techonologies -- even to enjoy doing it. Yet they still prove honest critics and won't welcome something simply because it is different.

If you'd read my post carefully you saw that i didn't make the statement about people preferences for technology, I was only making a careful assumption.
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Originally posted by David Weitzman:

I don't know if you can get away with trying to make the people here feel closed-minded for rejecting one technology or another.Yet they still prove honest critics and won't welcome something simply because it is different.

If one is moving from Java to C# or vice versa then he/she is not changing his/her technology.Since they belong to the same family & more over their power lies in OO and their robust, flexible libraries.
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Alex, then what does this mean:
"So why this MS bashing?"
You clearly project that you do not believe Java people will want to talk about .Net. Your post did not talk about the significance of .Net in the near future, or its application to any particular domain, or give any other reason why it belongs at the ranch. You talked instead about fear of learning something new, which does not seem relevent to the topic at all.
If one is moving from Java to C# or vice versa then he/she is not changing his/her technology.Since they belong to the same family & more over their power lies in OO and their robust, flexible libraries.
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I suppose by the same logic you could say that all programming languages are basically reimplementations of a Turing machine, so if you speak one you must be qualified to use any on a difficult project.
 
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You clearly project that you do not believe Java people will want to talk about .Net.
If Alex didn't believe it, why would he make his post?
Your post did not talk about the significance of .Net in the near future, or its application to any particular domain, or give any other reason why it belongs at the ranch.
Alex: "It might happen, that .Net and Java gonna coexist on the market, with each of them on its share of the IT market."
You talked instead about fear of learning something new, which does not seem relevent to the topic at all.
Well, Alex made a suggestion for the new forum. We know what you think about how he expressed his suggestion, but we still have no clue what do you think about his idea.
 
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What I think:
C# used with .Net is not Java, so it belongs with all the other languages.
.Net + Java... I don't think I've ever seen this idea taken seriously. Is someone here developing a .Net app with Java?
 
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J++ is being ported to .NET but J++ is Java 1.1.6.
 
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I have installed vs.net on my home-pc.
Until now, there are no indications that I leave my appartment at night to eat little children or something like that.
Well. I haven't used it yet.
 
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Since this topic started on a premise of a serious proposal, I'll move this to JavaRanch.
But honestly, there aren't enough forums out there already dedicated to discussing .NET? Is there a need to put one on a site decicated to Java technology.
These issues of fear and bias are smokescreens for no real argument at all, as I see it. If there's a reason to include .Net chatter on JavaRanch, then let's hear it. But we I don't see how we'd consider it for the reasons listed so far.
 
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Originally posted by David Weitzman:
I suppose by the same logic you could say that all programming languages are basically reimplementations of a Turing machine, so if you speak one you must be qualified to use any on a difficult project.

Anyone has freedom for assuming anything.You can suppose that moon brights in morning and Sun in night .
The point is Change of Technology.One moving from C# to Java or vice versa, is not changing his/her technology.But if someone shifts from Pascal/COBOL to Java/C# then he/she is changing his/her technology.Since Pascal/COBOL are structured languages and Java/C# are OO.
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Smalltalk is OO. Eiffel is OO. Perl claims to be OO. Java, and C# do. What do these languages have in common? They teach courses on this sort of thing, but basically knowing one won't get you too far in any of the others. Expertly written perl may be incomprehensible to someone who hasn't seen perl before. But Java and C# have similar syntax, you say (or would if I had waited). Yes -- that means that your mistakes will be even harder to figure out!
 
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Originally posted by David Weitzman:
Yes -- that means that your mistakes will be even harder to figure out!

I'm not sure what that means! As far as the transition from Java to C#, the transition is a breeze. If you have Java and C++ experience, there is virtually no transition. You already know everything (except delegates) that you need to know. The rest is just learning the APIs for the CLR.
 
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But there are a lot of sites out there for anyone who wants to discuss C#. There is no reason to add a C# forum to JavaRanch. If JavaRanch chooses to expand to other languages then we can talk about a CSharpRanch!
 
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Originally posted by David Weitzman:
Smalltalk is OO. Eiffel is OO. Perl claims to be OO. Java, and C# do. What do these languages have in common?

OO
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Originally posted by <Alex Ayzin>:
... Actually, what I propose is a forum for MS VS.Net and related issues, regardless the fact that many pure-Java lobbysts deny any reason and validity for existence for any MS product(and speciafically VS.Net). It might happen, that .Net and Java gonna coexist on the market, with each of them on its share of the IT market.

OK, sorry to upset the current topic drift, but let's get this one put to bed:
1) If someone here says "no way should we talk about VS.NET," that's an opinion. If someone says we should, that's another. But creating a forum for it on the grounds that naysaying is unhealthy sidesteps the key point: relevance. How is VS.NET relevant to this site?
2) We're not here to promote either the rise or fall of VS.NET. Our focus is Java: the technologies that give it rise (EJB, Servlets, products); knowledge, tools and principles that inform its use (Certification, Distributed, Book Reviews); and platform issues and integration methods (Products, XML, General Computing, OO Scripting). We don't allot a forum for VS.NET, I gather, for the same reasons we don't have one for C++.
From Vikrama: I think Javaranch administration will not implement this idea.They not only love Java infact, They Love Java from the core of their hearts. In my personal opinion a developer should not be platform specific, rather a developer is a versatile developer of variety of platforms.
Are you implying that the people who promote and endorse this site are willfully ignorant of other technologies? And what do you mean by "platform specific"? The vast majority of people on this site use and write their code on some variant of Windows, whether they use Java or not, so let's dispense with the presumption of MS bashing.
The idea that to be good a developer must be versatile over several platforms is itself a narrow view. Diversity of systems is not itself a virtue, it's just a reality. Many people have to deal with that reality, and for them, versatility is a strength. For others, versatility may steal time from activities we deem more important (such as getting all our systems to talk to each other in one language).
 
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If you are looking for a forum to discuss C# then I would recommend this one:
http://www.c-sharpcorner.com/forum/
The owner of the forum is an author of a C#/ADO.NET book and seems well informed on the topic of C#.
At this point I see no reason to add a C# forum to JavaRanch. This is in spite of the fact that I am a C# programmer!
 
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Originally posted by Thomas Paul:
If you are looking for a forum to discuss C# then I would recommend this one:
http://www.c-sharpcorner.com/forum/

Thanks.
Although I have no idea when I will have time for this ci.shark thing.
Its not the same. Worst: People have nasty names like mcsharp, cander or csharpdude. This might be sequences of letters. But they don't fit in my concept of a name
[ June 01, 2002: Message edited by: Axel Janssen ]
 
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Originally posted by Axel Janssen:
I have installed vs.net on my home-pc.
Until now, there are no indications that I leave my appartment at night to eat little children or something like that.
Well. I haven't used it yet.

Same Here
 
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Hi guyz,
I found a newsgroup discussing Microsoft Related technologies, like .NET, C# etc.Microsoft Newsgroups.It's an active newsgroup But the complexity of reading this group frustates me! .
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