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Originally posted by Michael Yuan:
Why does JavaRanch use Perl based UBB forum software? Is this bad for the Java community?
For some Java advocates, using a Perl program to drive JavaRanch is almost a sin because it "tarnishes" the Java image (like the anti-Unix web site using a Unix server ...).
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Originally posted by Michael Yuan:
I think a very helpful open source project would be the migration tool to move UBB database to Jive XML databases. That would:
1. Take advantage of the Jive effort;
2. Help JavaRanch to build a better image for Java;
3. Help to convert many other UBB sites and promote the use of server side Java.
Actually, we might even ask the for-profit Jive corp to sponsor this effort! Anyone interested?
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Originally posted by Michael Yuan:
For some Java advocates, using a Perl program to drive JavaRanch is almost a sin because it "tarnishes" the Java image (like the anti-Unix web site using a Unix server ...). Some ranchers volunteered to write a new Java based forum software for JavaRanch. Some pointed out an existing project called Jive Forums.
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Originally posted by Ilja Preuss:
I don't think that JavaRanch is an anti-Perl (or anti-anything-that-is-not-java) site; if I would, I wouldn't be here.
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Originally posted by Michael Ernest:
An open-source project aimed at migrating data from one proprietary product to another?
... ...
There's real work involved, and the incentive of creating "something open source" I think will die quickly when it's realized that all we would ultimately do is maybe create greater market share for the developers of Jive.
I'm missing your outline of the technical benefits altogether, Michael. What is JavaRanch's stake in promoting to the user community at large a means to move from UBB to Jive?
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Originally posted by Michael Yuan:
No, it is not about anti-Perl (I use Perl all the time). It is about promote Java. It is not a technology issues (UBB does the job). It is politics and more importantly -- MARKETING.
Isn't it true that all of us will win if JavaRanch can encourage more companies to use the Java technology?
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Originally posted by Michael Yuan:
I remember a couple of weeks ago, a rancher asked whether he can have a list of sucessful, high traffic web sites powered by Java. He wanted to show his boss and justify his choice of the Java technology. Don't you think it'd be great if Java Ranch can be on the list?
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Originally posted by Cindy Glass:
JavaRanch averages well over a quarter of a million unique sessions a month. We
get over 10 MILLION page hits (not including page graphics) monthly.
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Originally posted by Michael Yuan:
But one thing UBB does lack is efficient search (Ok, it can search, but very very slow). If there is a SQL database backend, search would a lot easier. And users will be less likely to ask simple, annoying questions (such as "why do we use
a Perl program?")
So, it is not like UBB is perfect and "get the job done". Java based solution *can* bring technical benefits to the community ...
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Originally posted by Cindy Glass:
Ilja - Just what DO you think it takes to be called a "high traffic" web-site?
JavaRanch averages well over a quarter of a million unique sessions a month. We get over 10 MILLION page hits (not including page graphics) monthly.
So how many hits do YOU think that it takes to be high traffic??
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Originally posted by Paul Wheaton:
JavaRanch is nothing compared to yahoo, but I would guess that JavaRanch is in the top 1% for size. I think it easily falls into "large site".
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Originally posted by Paul Wheaton:
I think that if every minute saw only an average load, we would be fine. It is the usage spikes that are an issue.
If you think that anything less than yahoo can be handled without a distributed system, I'm pretty sure I cannot rely on your advice for system management.
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Originally posted by Paul Wheaton:
Our host tells us "We're givin' her all she's got! She canna take much more captain!"
I find UBB to be lacking many features I am finding in other forums. These features seem to be supported by jive.
As Thomas said, the jive people say "that's a really simple change" and yet Thomas, a competent engineer, cannot even get the basic stuff installed.
Does anybody want to volunteer to help Thomas?
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