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Niranjan Deshpande
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Hi all,

Did i hear it right ? The BCD exam pattern is going to change in february 2007 ? are we going to get a new book (from the same authors)that confirms to this change ??? Should i go ahead and start reading the HFSJ for BCD ? does it take care of begineers ?

What is the spec that that current exam caters to ?
 
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The BCD exam pattern is going to change in february 2007 ?

The exam is NOT going to be changed, however, there will be one more version for SCBCD. One for EJB 2.0 and the new comer for EJB 3.0.


are we going to get a new book (from the same authors)that confirms to this change ???

Bert said it depends on the demand of the book, and thus, seems like the authors are not going for HFEJB 3.0 right now.


Should i go ahead and start reading the HFSJ for BCD ? does it take care of begineers ?

HFSJ is only for SCWCD. I am afraid it is not suitable for SCBCD. If you are talking about HFEJB, it would be good to start.

What is the spec that that current exam caters to ?

EJB 2.0

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thanks very much ! thanks for the presise answers
actually since i muisused the word HFSJ, i really meant the head first book for ejb and acronym for it is HFEJB

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Hi Guys,

Nicholas is correct - we're still evaluating whether there will be sufficient demand for an EJB 3.0 book. When we decide for sure we'll let you know, here at the ranch.

I would like to add one perspective. Sun intends for the current EJB exam and the new EJB to co-exist for a long time. The two technologies are VERY different and J2EE container vendors and J2EE container users will not rush to the new technology. In addition, the overlap between the exams is fairly minimal. This leads to a couple of conclusions:

- If you're certified in EJB 3.0, it does NOT mean you're qualified to work in a pre-3.0 environment.

- Every candidate should research her job market to see which technology is in higher use. Sun believes that for many candidates, the current exam will be the correct choice for some long time to come.

In other words, it's not a knee-jerk, no-brainer decision to go for the new certification!

hth,

Bert
 
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Bert

I dont have words to thank you..
thanks a ton..

i think, based on whaterver you said,

it would be fine to go for the EJB2.0 exam, if i am planing to get it in next 6 months or so..!
 
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so..? should i go ahead and appear for the ejb2.0 ?

as bert said, the new exam's tech. and the 2.0 exam's technologies are totally different !

if the book is going to be available soon, is it OK to wait for it ?

Bert, is it Green signal from you, to ga ahead for the 2.0 exam ?

Please do reply !

Thanks in advance !
 
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so..? should i go ahead and appear for the ejb2.0 ?

It depends on whether you need this technology. Actually, if you are currently working with EJB 2.0, or planned to find a job that is EJB 2.0 related, you could consider to go ahead for it. Otherwise, you may wait for it.

if the book is going to be available soon, is it OK to wait for it ?

I believe other publishers/authors are currently working for 310-091, however, as Bert said, HFEJB 3.0 may not be released if the demand is not high, and thus, it depends on which book you wanna wait.

Nick
 
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if the book is not going to come out in another six months or so..
i think i should go for 2.0..

2.0 or 3.0 doesnt make a differnce for me

never used EJB before

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The absolute earliest we'd have the book done would be 9 months from now! And we still are in a "wait and see" mode.

I think the best way to decide which exam to take is to look at your local job market! I strongly believe that a LOT of companies won't switch to the newer technology for several years - but there's really no way to know on a global basis - you have to check out the local scene.

I know I said it before, but I want to emphasize that the new exam is NOT a superset of the old exam! So passing the new exam will do only a partial job of preparing you for a EJB 2.x environment.

hth,

Bert
 
Niranjan Deshpande
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Bert

since your book is not going to be out till 9 months from now,
i think its better to go for the 2.0 exam for which ALL ALL resources are still avalialble. unless we get your book its impossible to pass the 3.0 exam ;-)

i am still a fresher and not much aware about the local scene,
by the time your book arrives, i will get 2.0

so is it a green signal from you to appear for the 2.0 exam ?
 
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so ?

bert, since the book has a long time to come, should i go for 2.0 ?
i want to get BCD certification by 2007 end.

so 2.0 ??? please do reply !
 
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any news / updates about the 3.0 hfejb ???
 
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I think that it is little hard to see if people are interested in new EJB exam without a good book for exam... I would like to take it but I'll wait for a book... I think that many people will wait for a good book to take that exam...
 
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It is catch 22:

a) people don't take SCBCD 5.0 until HF EJB 3.0 book released

b) HF EJB 3.0 book won't be started until exam become popular

It's fun to see this situation. I must admit that HF series is something new in book writing industry, but it has another side - people get lazy.

Example: SCDJWS exam or SCMAD exam - they are not popular not because obsolete or useless, but [partially] because there is no "read-single-book-in-a-week-and-pass-for-sure" book.

Disclaimer: I do not want to abuse anybody who asks for the book, this is just me personal (may be not so humble) opinion . Blame me and flame me if I am wrong.

regards,
MZ
 
Amir Alagic
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you're right... some of us are looking for easy way to pass exam and some are looking for easy way to earn money...

I guess that I'll have to buy few EJB 3.0 books to pass that exam... it's easier with one but...
[ February 28, 2007: Message edited by: Amir Alagic ]
 
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I've been going back and forth just like you, and I've decided to study for and take the SCBCD (version 2.x) exam. My reasoning is as follows:

[*]EJB 2.x technology is hard and complex...thus the barriers to entry are harder...thus you can demand more money for a thorough understanding of it.
[*]Even if everyone is transitioning to EJB 3.0 or Spring, they'll still need people to dissassemble (word?) the old EJB 2.x technologies.
[*]The Head First books are easily the best most intuitive technical books I have ever seen, and since I don't know of a Head First Spring or Head First EJB 3.0, I might as well learn this side of it.
 
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Well, it's a catch-22 for us too :roll:

And, it's also a catch-22 for publishers. There is a spectrum of approaches that technical book authors (and publishers) take when writing a tech book. The range is something like this:

At the lower quality end:

Get a small advance, and throw together some regurgitation of the spec, and hope it sticks.

At the higher quality end:

Either get a bigger advance and do the book right, or take a risk of the author's time and do the book right.

Of course it's not binary, and all sorts of combinations in between are possible. For us it's a no-brainer, we're not going to attempt any book that we won't be proud of. We've been waiting several years for J2ME to take off so that we could afford to write a J2ME book. I want to be clear - we have no definite plans to write an EJB 3.0 book! "IF" we do, and it is truly an "if" it won't be ready for a long time!!!

As far as a "green light" for taking the old EJB exam goes - you have it from me FWIW :roll:

I hope I was clear earlier, but just in case, I'll say again that my opinion (no crystal ball), is that the old exam will be appropriate for a lot of people for a long time - you really have to check your local job market to know for sure. Again, my opinion, is that companies don't upgrade J2EE environments lightly - it is usually a slow and painful process.

hth,

Bert
 
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Hi Bert,

My personal opinion that you should go ahead and upgrade (re-write) HF EJB book for SCBCD 5.0 :roll:

It's not arguable that SCBCD is third by popularity Java exam after SCJP and SCWCD. So, I have liberty to say that book for such popular exam will be greatly demanded. One more advantage - the book could be used by developers for Java applications which use JPA without EJB container.

Again, this is only *my* *personal* *opinion*. When it comes to money you should take into account more trusted opinions

regards,
MZ
 
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I am getting a feeling that one should know both 2.0 and 3.0 :roll:

why 2.0 - because it still exits. and a 3.0 certified dosn't mean that you
are qualified to work in 3.0
why 3.0 - because its been alomost an year since its out, and it will gain
grounds in about 6-7 months or at the max 1 year or so.


so ?
 
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I am getting a feeling that one should know both 2.0 and 3.0 :roll:

why 2.0 - because it still exits. and a 3.0 certified dosn't mean that you
are qualified to work in 3.0
why 3.0 - because its been alomost an year since its out, and it will gain
grounds in about 6-7 months or at the max 1 year or so.


so ?
 
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Actually I was in the same situation as you. I just passed the SCWCD not so long ago and decided to prepare for SCBCD. I bought the Head First EJB and then few days later I found out that there's a new SCBCD 5.0 I spent quite some time deciding which one to take. Then, I decided to go for SCBCD 1.3. Why? Because, there are so many good resources available out there compare to SCBCD 5.0, which is still relatively new. And passing SCBCD 1.3 is going to be easy with Head First EJB. I hate you Bert and Katty for making us dependent on your books Even though, EJB 2.x and 3.0 does not have a lot of things in common, it's still much easier to learn EJB 3.0 after knowing EJB 2.x, at least you know what EJB is Another good point is that you can add more certs in your collection I'll definitely go for SCBCD 5.0 once a lot of good books have been published.

Just my 2 cents
 
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