Passed SCWCD at the age of 12 years 8 months

[Afsah Shafquat]

Hello Ranchers
I passed SCWCD exam yesterday (21st of Nov.2001) at the age of 12 years 8months and 25 days; My DOB is 26th. Feb 1989.I am a student of class VIII at White House Grammar School Karachi. I'm learning Java at Sir Syed University under the banner of OPERATION BADAR...An IT Education Movement.I am also assistant teacher in OPERATION BADAR.I passed earlier my SCJP exam on 28th. of June this year with 72%.
My recent score in SCWCD is not so good; it is mere 67% .I was feverish at the time of exam.(running a temperature of 1o2 F.)
Java ranch links were proved helpful especially Miftah's notes.
Afsah

[zoe dude]

Many many Congrats on this success at such a young age...
All the best for future.

[Chintan Rajyaguru]

Congratulations!! You seem to be very talented. I particularly liked the fact that you are an assistant teacher and hence sharing your knowledge with lots of others. You are an inspiration to people like me who have been preparing for days and hiding behind "No time to Study" excuse.

[This message has been edited by Chintan Rajyaguru (edited November 21, 2001).]

[Ashik Uzzaman]

Congrats Afsah, good job done at such a young age!
This is really a stuff to be learned by SCWCD-aspirants. Wish u a prosperous future....

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Muhammad Ashikuzzaman (Fahim)
Sun Certified Programmer for the Java� 2 Platform
--When you learn something, learn it by heart!

[ruijin yang]

Afsah Shafquat:
Sorry.I do not congratulate you since I can not believe you are so young.
ruijin ayng

[sridhar satuloori]

Congratulations Computer WIZ
keep it up....
Sridhar

[Narasipur]

Congratualtions.Never mind the score, you are certified!
~s

[msk]

Hi
iam very much pleased when i came to know about u from one of the Rancher earlier.
Now it is nice to get the Confirmation even from ur side.
Really iam very much impressed by ur mail and also the Goal
u achieved
that's a terrific achievement.
I too want to prepare for that.
have a nice time
keep in touch
yours
MSK

[Win Yu]

congratulations,Afsah.

[Afsah Shafquat]

Hello Ranchers
Chintan Rajyaguru,Zoe Dude,Ashik,Sridhar,Narasipur,MSK,Win Yu and Ruijin Yang........thanks to all of you who replied! ...much more thanks to those who wished.....greatest thanks to Ruijin because your disbelief indicated and inspired me to do much more to prove myself.

Afsah

[Marcos Maia]

Hi,
I can not congratulate you, not because I don�t believe but in my oppinion someone with such age should be not studying so hard and also working, in my understand you problably go to regular shcool as well and then you teach java, maybe later studying hard to these tests, so you�re missing problably one of the best parts of your life and also you may have some social problem in your future because of this. Kids at such age should be doing lots of sports and playing around with others, I�m about to have kids and I would never leave them loose their childhood working so hard and with such responsability.
Hope you think about!Wish luck for you in your future! I�m telling you this with my heart!
regards.
just my 2c.
PS - I don�t know where you leave or the conditions about your country(looks like yuou leave in India), but I�m Brazilian and we have a lot of social problems around here and this does not justify nothing.
sincerelly.
Marcos Maia.
[This message has been edited by Marcos Maia (edited November 22, 2001).]

[Afsah Shafquat]

Hello Ranchers
Chintan Rajyaguru,Zoe Dude,Ashik,Sridhar,Narasipur,MSK,Win Yu and Ruijin Yang........thanks to all of you who replied! ...much more thanks to those who wished.....greatest thanks to Ruijin because your disbelief indicated and inspired me to do much more to prove myself.

Afsah

[Marilyn de Queiroz]

Narasipur, msk, and zoe dude,
Please read http://www.javaranch.com/name.jsp and re-register. We would like you to to be able to continue to post here at JavaRanch.

[Fei Ng]

congratulate !!! Forget about the age thing!!
You passed!! enjoy your own success.

[This message has been edited by FEI NG (edited November 22, 2001).]

[Thomas Whalen]

c'mon folks! there are so many gullible people on the internet, and this is no exception! do you really believe that someone so young would have the vocabulary of this 12 year old? really? words like 'banner', in the context in which it was used? in ANOTHER country? i would say more, but i am sure this person could fill in you with those details

[Win Yu]

Hi Afsah, please do not care what people said about you. Enjoy your success.

[This message has been edited by Win Yu (edited November 22, 2001).]

[james edwin]

cool....congrats once again

[Reda Mokrane]

Excellent job Afsah
Great Achievement !!!
Can u share with us your experience of giving the SCWCD.
I am appearing next month so i need some advices.
perhaps I'll be the oldest one I'm 32 and studying for the exam.

Keep learning Java.
All the best.
Reda
[This message has been edited by Reda Mokrane (edited November 22, 2001).]

[fawad ahmed]

Congratulations !!!........
Excellent.WellDone Keep it up.

[n Afsheen]

Many many Congratulation little Princess for such great achievement
Keep it up
Best wishes for brighter future.

[Baseer S]

Dear Afsah--
There are some people unwilling to believe you but who cares. Just make a difference by being the youngest most successful person on this earth. And let them spend their lives critcizing others.
Wish you more luck in future exams hopefully XML at the age of 13......wow!
Best,
Baseer

[Afsah Shafquat]

Hello Ranchers!
Hi! FEI NG, Win Yu, James Edwin, Reda Mokrane, Fawad Ahmed and N. Afsheen, Thank you all for your compliments!!
And as for Thomas Whalen; Sir! I was astonished when I read your message as you think that "a 12 year old/an 8th grade student couldn't have this much English� but I'm really sorry to say a few things: firstly my language is not unusually superb; secondly using various facilities of computer (e.g. Microsoft Word) it is not very tough to compose some piece of writing like mine; thirdly meaning of my name is � Eloquent� so I have to do some more efforts for the sake of my name too; fourthly my school, White House Grammar School, is one of the best schools in my city (it secured 1st & 3rd Positions last year and 3rd Position this year in Matriculation Examination.); sixthly I have been securing first position in my class for last 7 years; seventhly if people of my age don�t write such English usually(according to your assumption), then why you forget it that people of my age don�t do SCJP & SCWCD too(according to my assumption); lastly I believe on your �right of disbelief�; it�s not a new phenomenon to me. When I passed SCJP exam. On 28th of June this year I faced the same problem. I was a bit upset at that time but my father said me � You have done an apparently impossible task so you must realize that it is impossible to be realized by all the people!� He told me the story of Galileo.He also assured me that my success was much more than 100% realization. Now I feel there is a significant improvement in this regard.
Dear Baseer I�m very thankful to your advice; I will try my best to do it.

Dear Reda Mokrane, As you see my percentage is not so good but however I think that I can provide you with some advices (which I didn't follow). Firstly I would suggest you to visit this link:
http://www.javaranch.com/scwcdlinks.jsp
From these links, if you have time then review everything (best situation) but if that isn't so, I am telling you some important ones out of those links; these are as under:

�SCWCD Exam Objectives (B)
�Servlet 2.3 Specifications and JavaDoc (A+)
�JSP 1.2 Specifications and JavaDoc (A+)
�Servlet Deployment Descriptor DTD (A+)
�EnthuWare's JWebPlus Commercial Exam (A+)
�JavaRanch's own SCWCD Mock Exam (A)
�Eduardo Cobian's SCWCD Test (B)
�Ken Zrobok notes (A)
�Miftah Khan's Servlet notes (A+)
�Miftah Khan's JSP notes (A+)
�Michelle's notes (B)
�Sun's J2EE Blueprints Early Access (Design patterns)(A+)

Note: -
I have graded these links too. You can try the SCWCD Exam Objectives (they also seem to be good). Servlet 2.3 Specifications and JavaDoc, JSP 1.2 Specifications and JavaDoc & Servlet Deployment Descriptor DTD is also very necessary. I haven't checked the Eduardo Cobian's SCWCD Test (but check it out... hope it'll be good too). I also didn�t take the " Whiz Labs SCWCD@Whiz Commercial exam " but have heard of it as being good enough. Instead I took JWebPlus questions' pool, there are totally 311 questions and are very nice. Miftah�s (Servlet and JSP) notes are very concise and to the point (recommended). Ken Zrobok's notes are also very good but they are too lengthy (about 60 pages long). Michelle�s notes are just a short form of Miftah's and Ken's notes. Sun�s J2EE Blueprints Early Access (Design patterns) are a must read as questions in the real paper are a bit tricky regarding design patterns. I didn�t read any of the tutorials.
I would also recommend you some of the books (which I also read):

Java Servlet Programming (2nd Edition) by Jason Hunter with William Crawford---O'Reilly Publishing
Core Servlets and JSP by Marty Hall---Prentice Hall Publishing
Web Development with JavaServer Pages by Duane K. Fields and Mark A. Kolb---Manning Publishing
Java Server Programming with J2ee (Volume 1) by (19 writers)---Wrox Publishing
Hope you will pass your SCWCD paper soon with flying colours!!
---Afsah

[Ijlal Jinnah]

Dearest All,
My heartiest congratulations to you, Afsah.
I cannot blame the few of you, who have shown disbelief at Afsah's achievements. In fact I congratulate you, too, for your courage to speak out your minds and going against the flow. I would have done the same if I were in your boots, but the fact is I work in the same organization as Afsah and therefore know her personally, and mind you, I am not a 13-year-old but rather, a 36-year-'oldy'-old! Recently we had a 25-hours closed-door software competition from which, I, very wisely, sneaked out the back alley! Afsah, not only participated, but was ranked amongst the top 25 - I dare say I am a bit concerned about my future prospects!
I do not expect all of you to believe me but...hey, I have got an idea! Why don't you all convince some Sun official to fly over here, just in case...and please, do request an editor from the Guiness Book of World Records too, as he's going to be needed!
Regards.
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SCJP
OOAD (IBM-486)

[imb4u2cu]

Congrats a lot.
Disappointed to see some disbelievers.
You forget to answer that u belong to Pakistan.
AlhamdUAllah, you did really a great job, and u showed that
WE CAN...AND W WILL!!!
God be with u!
-IMB4U2CU
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I am before you to see you!!!

[Peter den Haan]

"imb4u2cu", please review our naming policy and reregister under a different name. Likewise for "Baseer S" and "n Afsheen". We are not trying to impose Westernised names on you; most cultures have the concept of two or more names (of more than one letter each) and to maintain a professional forum we just ask that you use them.
My sincere compliments to Afsah, of course A remarkable achievement. On a personal note, I sincerely hope that your parents and teachers know how to tread the path between ignoring obvious talent and overfocusing on it. That path is narrow, and mis-stepping either way can be very damaging.
- Peter
[This message has been edited by Peter den Haan (edited November 26, 2001).]

[Lala Hardayal Bihari]

Ash,
I think you have a brain of 8 years only. Why waste our time with such stupid post ?

Lala

[Lisa Raymond]

Great achievement Ashfaq ! Keep it up.
Lala - You have no right to call anyone Stupid
Lisa

[khad M]

Hi Ashfat
Some fellows can't apprciate the other's Succcess.
hence i suggest u not bother issues like this.
as u mentioned that U have already faced some Typical fellows
like this when u cleared SCJP2.0 with splendid 72%
.Hence i suggest u not to take this type mails to heart.
keep ur self pure and honest and of course ur success has been
already appreciated By All Good Java Ranchers and ur Fellow
Badar University collegues.
hence njoy ur success.
have a nice time
MSK
SCJP2.0
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[This message has been edited by khad M (edited November 26, 2001).]

[Reda Mokrane]

Hi Afsah,
Thanks for the advice .
Keep it up and enjoy your success .
thanks again
Reda

[Ian Yang]

Lala,
You have no right to be so rude to other fellows, even he/she is still a teenager. This will just make yourself look terrible. No matter how you think in your mind, being polite to others as long as they don't insult you.
Ian
SCJP2, SCJD2, SCWCD

[Hassan Naqvi]

SUPERB ACHIEVEMENT AFSAH....
YOU ARE ON YOUR WAY!!!
Hassan.

[Ashik Uzzaman]

Lala. u should keep ur mouth shut.... ....never mind Afsah!
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Muhammad Ashikuzzaman (Fahim)
Sun Certified Programmer for the Java� 2 Platform
--When you learn something, learn it by heart!

[Baseer S]

lala hope you become a civilised person...........
regards,
baseer

[John Lee]

Hi:
Since you passed scwcd, then you must passed scjp at a even earlier age...
Don
scjp,scwcd,scjd

[khad M]

Hi Ranchers,
I think Don Liu is one more Lala.
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Originally posted by Don Liu:
[B]Hi:
Since you passed scwcd, then you must passed scjp at a even earlier age...
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Ashafat already mentioned that sha had clered SCJP2.0 in July,2001.
So Mr.Don try to read matter completely.ok.
MSK
SCJP2.0

[Peter den Haan]

MSK, I don't think Don meant harm.
Please everyone, let's try to keep this thread civilised, no matter how strong your belief or disbelief.
- Peter

[Afsah Shafquat]

Hello Ranchers!
After an absence of 3 or 4 days I'm here to thank you for your compliments & advices.Ijlal Jinnah! I'm grateful for your compliments. Imb4u2cu! Disbelievers can't disappoint me. I already mentioned that I'm from Karachi so no point of forgetfulness; it is very much obvious that my city is in Pakistan. Peter den Haan! Thanks for your advice; I'll sincerely try to travel on this narrow path as much straight as possible. Lisa Raymond! Thank you for defending me. This mini_ world of Java Ranch is full of variety; it ranges from you (Lisa) to him (Lala) a colourful spectrum of people! Thanks God! The overall impact is very nice. khad M! So many thanks for your suggestion. Badar is not a university. Actually it is an IT-Education Movement; it is just like software, which can run on any compatible hardware (i.e. Institutions). Now it is working in about a dozen of institutions including universities. Reda Mokrane! Wish you again a great success in SCWCD exam! Ian Yang! It is really nice that this forum is full of balanced people like you. Hassan Naqvi! Thank you. A compliment from an Operation Badar colleague is always inspiring.Sir Baseer! I feel that your hope will come true. Don Liu! Yes I passed SCJP on 28th. of June this year. Khad M! I don't think any one can match Lala.Peter! I'm agreed with you. Ashikuzzaman! Thanks for defending me but let me answer him myself. Lala Hardayal Bihari! Thank you; at least you admitted that I have a brain. I am feeling myself helpless to utter anything about yours. So I'm just quoting comments of you about other ranchers and their comments about you without my personal comments.
Best Wishes for all the Ranchers
Afsah
Your Comments About Ranchers:
1#Lala Hardayal Bihari
greenhorn
posted November 12, 2001 08:35 PM

I feel this fellow is lying about getting 100 %. It's a roose.Sonalika, you have to provide evidence of this "achievement". Lala
2#Lala Hardayal Bihari
greenhorn
posted August 29, 2001 09:06 AM
TVS, Score of 71 % is not a great score...You just managed to scrape through. By the way, why are you mentioning names of your Java Teachers in this forum ? We are not interested in such unnecessary details. Lala
2# Merle, If you are afraid of facing interviews, you should not have appeared for SCJP. Do not post such silly fears of yours in this forum. Lala
3# Lala Hardayal Bihari
greenhorn
posted August 29, 2001 04:39 AM
Padmaja, Passing with 67 % is no great deal. Lala

4#Lala Hardayal Bihari
greenhorn
posted August 29, 2001 09:12 AM
Rajani, I am amazed as to how people post their certification details here. It is often foolish to read all the matter with very little content related to certification. Rajani, You have hardly given any details about the exam itself... By the way don't be so exited about getting 100 % in GC. I know there is hardly one question on GC. Lala
5#Lala Hardayal Bihari
greenhorn
posted August 29, 2001 10:21 PM
Ashik,. And yes, you want to know my profession ? - I am a butcher. Lala
6#Lala Hardayal Bihari
greenhorn posted October 04, 2001 03:51 AM
Ashok,
Your post here looks like thanksgiving ritual to me. You shaould have given concrete details of the exam instead of the long list of obligatory items. Lala
7#Lala Hardayal Bihari
greenhorn
posted November 26, 2001 03:43 AM
Ash, I think you have a brain of 8 years only. Why waste our time with such stupid post ? Lala
Ranchers Comments About You:
1#Jim Petersen
ranch hand
posted September 04, 2001 10:00 AM
Ok I'll take the bait again... What is your problem? Lala why don't you start up your own site for 'mature professionals' rather than slagging this site? Rather than spitting acidic comments on others success - You could be studying... As my mum would say 'If you ain't got anything nice to say don't say anything...' To paraphrase one of your posts - "67% is no great deal.." that is down right offensive and demeans someone's application effort to passing the exam. Jeeze this is annoying


2#Ashik uzzaman
ranch hand
posted August 30, 2001 06:24 AM
quote: We are not interested in such unnecessary details. Lala, Don't say we are not...say i m not...OK? How do u know abt my interest??? Muhammad Ashikuzzaman
3#Rob Murphy
greenhorn
posted September 04, 2001 08:35 AM
( LINES EDITED BY SHAILESH M. SONAVADFEKAR ) Ever since you came here you are critisizing just about everybody. Site maintainers are doing a great job and it is really helpful for more or less everybody. (Certainly not for you!). There is nothing wrong with posting the news of their passing. Most of the people spend weeks here asking and answering questions and they get a sense of belonging. If somebody posts their place or name of teacher/instructor/institute etc that's ok. Didn't you ever brag about your college...may be you haven't had the opp to go to a good institution. What CMM level you are talking about? You have no idea what it is and you are simply posting useless messages for creating a sensation. May be you've been a neglected child. You need to grow up and realize that if you are very smart, there are people in this world who are smarter than you and there are people in this world who are dumber than you. Go look for a place where only "smart" people interact or create one if you are so desperate and see how many people join you. I strongly request moderators to kick this idiot out of here
4#Ashik uzzaman
ranch hand
posted August 29, 2001 09:56 AM
Lala, I m not bartender of this site but an admirer. I found u as a person who is trying to demoralize the ranchers. First of all remember that u may feel ur freedom to say anything until u harm or hurt others. The bartender is here to see whether the topic is relevant and will act according to that. We r in a high-tech community where we respect each other and also feel our emotions. Sandeep is an active member of this site for a long while whereas u r register only the day be4 yesterday with this as ur 7th post and not a single with greetings to other. We r helped by his posts while u r being jellous! You r telling some others that their score is low, how r u the judge? Sun is certifiying that he is a programmer and u tell no. Be our guest in this site and try to feel how we feel each other. See my post where all were inspiring me and sharing my emotions. U may go to Programmer Certification Study Forum for pure technical purpose where we were always....this forum is particularly for success and failure stroies and advices....Do not attack anyone personally.-
5#leena
raneranch hand
posted August 29, 2001 10:39 AM
Thanx Ashik, I wanted 2 write what u have written (4 lala)We all stand by each other,help each other,and congratulate each other on each other's success.(believe me,i feel inspired every time i congratulatea rancher here) Ashik ,hav u seen lala,s last post 4 Kaushik Badiyani?? Lala i am very curious 2 know what do u work as.Please do let me know.No harsh feelings 4 u.I am sure u will fall in love with this site soon and u r most welcome here. Lala please don't feel hurt,but please do not be harsh 2 anyoneI am very very sorry,if i have hurt u.

6#Jim Petersen
ranch hand
posted August 30, 2001 06:18 AM
Whoa there's a new 'sheriff' in town looking to clean clean up the falsehood, frivilous behaviour, and hollow words blah blah blah It looks like you've gone some ways to burning your bridges on getting a question answered on 'technical details' - a little common courteousy and at least being pleasant in appreciating some one elses achivement may go some way to achieving this The people you criticise have made valid and worthwhile contributions to this site - ie added value here - something going on your posts you have failed to do. If everyone had your attidude and replied in your manner it would be a pretty dry (and short lived) Saloon Read the sign at the door partner - 'a friendly place for java greenhorns' Here's some constructive criticism - You should learn to lighten up LaLa Thats my two 2p rgds Jim
7#Dave Vick
bartender
posted August 30, 2001 07:06 AM
I would argue that most people probably find the experiences of others a great help in their own preparations. If you feel you dont need to read them or dont want to then you dont have to, but dont try to tell others that they shouldn't post them here.
8#shailesh sonavadekar
ranch hand
posted September 01, 2001 08:11 AM
cool down guys. this forum is for learning . not for fighting. Lala , this is not a forum for attacking anyone. Please do not make any personal remarks. This is friednly place. this place encourages the knowledge sharing. That is why it so popular. There are certain ways to express yourself. You are making personal remarks. that is not at all good. Please try to be friendly with others & learn from others as I can see you are new to the site while people like Jim , Dave , Leena & Sandeep , Ashik etc are a long time javaranchers & contributors. This is not the place for butchers. here , butchers are butchered in friendly manner , without any traces. so , be careful. Leena , Jim , Dave , Sandeep , Ashik , I feel you will continue your good work. Your Friendly BartenderShailesh.
9#Padmaja Balaji
ranch hand
posted September 03, 2001 01:32 AM
Thanks Shailesh. Even Lala humiliated me with his remarks "Passing with 67 % is no great deal." but I refused to see the word "no" in the sentence and thanked him also. Let us all grow each passing day and be more civilized. Once again, thanks again a lot for reminding everyone that this is a FRIENDLY place for ranchers.

[Peter Masreblta]

Afsah Shafquat,
The discussion here has been way out of the topics of this group.
Further discussion would better be moved to the "Meaningless Drivel" of this site where you or whoever is pretending to be this little kid, would got more attention there.

[This message has been edited by Peter Masreblta (edited November 29, 2001).]

[Afsah Shafquat]

Dear Peter!
It will not be a justification to me to move this discussion to anywhere else; rather it will facilitate the attitude of people like Lala. As far as my certification is concerned, no one can tell such a lie in this global village. I'm studying as well as teaching in Sir Syed Uninversity (a well known University in Karachi) under the banner of Operation Badar (It comprises of about 15000 students). Any one can check these facts. You have right to seek the truth but in the process don't malign the success of mine. I did nothing wrong by achieving the feat at such a young age.
Afsah

[John Lee]

Originally posted by khad M:
Hi Ranchers,
I think Don Liu is one more Lala.
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Originally posted by Don Liu:
[B]Hi:
Since you passed scwcd, then you must passed scjp at a even earlier age...
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Ashafat already mentioned that sha had clered SCJP2.0 in July,2001.
So Mr.Don try to read matter completely.ok.
MSK
SCJP2.0

I believe we are talking about java certification grand slams here. Who is the youngest men's tennis grand slam champion? is Micheal Chang in French open, or Boris Becker in Wimbeldon open? month even days matters here. So I think it is more significant to pass scjp at a earlier age than pass scwcd at a later age. So I think we should be informed by his scjp result in the first place.
I understand he(she) is from Pakistan. Traditionally, we respect those nuclear powers, you know.
Don