second-hand simulator.

[Ernest Lee]

is it legal to purchase a used test simulator software?

[Ashik Uzzaman]

Should not be....
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Muhammad Ashikuzzaman (Fahim)
Sun Certified Programmer for the Java� 2 Platform
--When you learn something, learn it by heart!

[Guennadiy VANIN]

Why not? It is property and property may change hands

[Win Yu]

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Win Yu
SCJP, SCWCD

[Fei Ng]

Originally posted by Ashik uzzaman:
Should not be....

really?? why not? You bought the a copy and it is yours?? isn't it? If it is yours y can't you sell it what is yours?
Hey ashik! What page are you at on Core servlet and jsp?

[This message has been edited by FEI NG (edited November 26, 2001).]

[Kevin Yip]

Well, the stupid argument is that you own the license to use it but not the property.
Think of renting a house from your landlord. You have the right to occupy it, but you can't sell it and get the money.
But I think if you sell the software in a brand new condition, then it may be O.K. Or if you find that the roof of the house you rented is leaking water, you can probably move out and get back the rent (even though you occupied it for a few sunny days) I mean you may get refund after use. Or just sell it in the 'underground' market after calculating the risk of being caught.
[This message has been edited by Kevin Yip (edited November 26, 2001).]

[Fei Ng]

Originally posted by Kevin Yip:
Well, the stupid argument is that you own the license to use it but not the property.
Think of renting a house from your landlord. You have the right to occupy it, but you can't sell it and get the money.
But I think if you sell the software in a brand new condition, then it may be O.K. Or if you find that the roof of the house you rented is leaking water, you can probably move out and get back the rent (even though you occupied it for a few sunny days) I mean you may get refund after use. Or just sell it in the 'underground' market after calculating the risk of being caught.
[This message has been edited by Kevin Yip (edited November 26, 2001).]

You said it yourself "renting". I own a copy and i am renting it? I don't think it is fair to compare it as "renting a house or aparnt". And license is transferable, at least some are.
I would like to know. I didn't really read the agreement when i bought it. And if you think this is an stupid argument try not to comment on it.
[This message has been edited by FEI NG (edited November 26, 2001).]

[Ernest Lee]

not to offend anyone, but i think comparing "renting house" to "buying software" is not quite appropiate.
I am renting a house right now... and I am very clear that if I don't pay my rents.. I will be kicked out by my landlord very soon.
but for software, hum... unless you are renting it through ASP...

well, I will check the license agreement and see.
btw, i have posted quite a few topics before and this get most attention... It does mean something to me..

[Ashik Uzzaman]

Because if u have agreed the copyright of the s'w it tells u can use it only personally and can't redistribute it. It prevents the programmer from the value of getting his labor. Though i myself not always abide by as in our country ppl don know of copyright 4 s/w.....
Hi FEI, i m now in 6th chapter of Core Servlets & JSP! U?

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Muhammad Ashikuzzaman (Fahim)
Sun Certified Programmer for the Java� 2 Platform
--When you learn something, learn it by heart!

[Fei Ng]

so. thats the agreement? i see.
I am only on chapter 3.
a lot of reading to do.

[Peter Masreblta]

I believe a software license just like a sun exam voucher. It is transferable, but only one person can have the license at any time. That�s why one can find used software stores (not many, but there are).
[This message has been edited by Peter Masreblta (edited November 27, 2001).]

[Tim Duncan]

I believe the only answer (given that you asked about the legal position) is that it depends on what the license says.

[khad M]

Hi Ranchers
iam really wondering after reading the responses oured here.
One IMP thing i want to clarify to all u is that
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if one particular Simulator is installed once on a particaular m/c, one can not not reinstall it on another m/c.
For example u have taken Jwhiz mock exam test simulator.Now u can run it only on particular m/c o which u have downloded from
that particaular Site after paying some $'s.Now u can not
reinstall it on another m/c.
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iam saying this with confidence why B'cas i have tried the same
thing for SCJP mock exam simulator.
Hope u Guys and Gals agree with me.
Looking forward for the responses.
Of course now i want to prepare for SCWCD
MSK
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SCJP2.0

[Ernest Lee]

FYI, for JQPlus, i didn't download it from the site. They email it to me... so.. i guess different case.

[Nasser Aboobaker]

Hi Folks,
I think it all depends on what is stated in the agreement. But generally YOU ARE NOT ALLOWED TO RESELL IT OR RE DISTRIBUTE IT. Let us say you have a copy of Microsoft WindowsME. Is it legal to sell it after you installed in your machine. No.
Thanks and have fun..
Nasser

[Peter Masreblta]

Here is the "SCWCDWhiz License Agreement":
By installing this software product, you agree to the following legal agreement between you and whizlabs Software Private Limited. Installing this software indicates your acceptance of these terms and conditions.
1) License - This License Agreement grants you one license to use this software on your Personal Computers (PC). You may not modify, reverse engineer, disassemble or otherwise attempt to derive source code from this product.
2) Transfer - You may transfer this license to another party only if that party agrees to the terms and conditions of this agreement. You may transfer this license only if you permanently destroy all copies of the software in your possession. You have no right to sub-license or loan the software.
3) Title And Copyright - Title, ownership rights and intellectual property rights to the software shall remain with Whizlabs Software Private Limited. The software is protected by international copyright laws and international treaty provisions. Do not remove or alter any notice of copyright, trademarks or other proprietary rights.
4) Term - This license is effective until terminated. This license and your right to use the software terminate automatically if you violate any part of this agreement. You agree upon termination, to immediately return or destroy all copies of the software.
5) General - This agreement constitutes the entire agreement between you and Whizlabs Software Private Limited and supercedes any previous oral or written agreement. Whizlabs Software Private Limited is not bound by any actions or statements of its independent distributors.
6) Export - You agree not to transfer the software if it is in violation of any laws, orders or restrictions on export from India.

[Ernest Lee]

i have read the licence agreement too...
and from my understanding, it is legal to "transfer" as long as u destroyed it completely in ur machine.
?)

[Chin Loong]

hey fei, ashik... when are you guys planning to take the exam?

[Nasser Aboobaker]

yep, according to this agreement you are allowed to transfer it to another party.
Nasser

[Fei Ng]

Originally posted by Chin Loong:
hey fei, ashik... when are you guys planning to take the exam?

ah.... we can sell them used!!!
Dec 24 is my date.
you, chin loong?
this will be my x'mas gift. hehehehe

[Chin Loong]

fei ng : i haven't set a date for myself yet coz i just got my scjp this tuesday, but well, probably i'll try to hit dec 24th
see if i can finish gulping up so many things
[This message has been edited by Chin Loong (edited November 30, 2001).]

[Fei Ng]

Originally posted by Chin Loong:
fei ng : i haven't set a date for myself yet coz i just got my scjp this tuesday, but well, probably i'll try to hit dec 24th
see if i can finish gulping up so many things
[This message has been edited by Chin Loong (edited November 30, 2001).]

I think you can probably do it. Check out the Objective, it really isn't that hard. I think it if you looking for passing you have a good chance. We are reading Core servlets and Jsp.
Check it out! Easy book to pick up and if you know alot about CGI programming you are half way finish already. Good luck,
That books + the notes = passing, i know a lot people agree on that.

[Bal Sharma]

Hey Guys:
If it is legal to buy and sell used software I bet you Bill Gate not gonna be richest person in this world. How do you think it is legal. I wish it was legal. I love freeware and shareware not $$$ software.
-Bal

[Chin Loong]

Originally posted by FEI NG:
I think you can probably do it. Check out the Objective, it really isn't that hard. I think it if you looking for passing you have a good chance. We are reading Core servlets and Jsp.
Check it out! Easy book to pick up and if you know alot about CGI programming you are half way finish already. Good luck,
That books + the notes = passing, i know a lot people agree on that.

fei ng if it's the correct book, i finished that book.. but it was around a year ago.. and as we all know, scwcd are all about memorising, so, that's basically what i'm doing rite now

[Fei Ng]

Originally posted by Bal Sharma:
Hey Guys:
If it is legal to buy and sell used software I bet you Bill Gate not gonna be richest person in this world. How do you think it is legal. I wish it was legal. I love freeware and shareware not $$$ software.
-Bal
Bal, read the agreement! It is legal.
Chin Loong, i see.. and good luck to you.
What are you using for jsp??

[Chin Loong]

fei ng : miftah's notes probably i'll go to the uni where i studied to find for some jsp books