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Reality check.Originally posted by Rick Silva:
I plan to work for another 20 years. Does that mean that I have to renew my certification ten times?!?
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Originally posted by Rama Raghavan:
SCJP2 did not have this...
Originally posted by Rama Raghavan:
In a not so big a font, at the bottom of my SCWCD cert is Expiration Date: <date>
I had job just 2 years ago dealing with Clipper...Originally posted by garth schneider: You do not have to have a expiration date on my Clipper programming certificate to know that it is no longer valid.
Who is using Clipper anymore???
Originally posted by John Pritchard:
SCJP2 1.4 has a two year expiration also
There is a thread in the Programmer forum at som elength discussing why they have started this
So you check with Microsoft again, and discover that your "Microsoft Certified OS Support Engineer" got his certification on the brand-new cutting-edge MS-DOS 1.25 operating system released August 1982.
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Apologies up front if what I'm saying sounds unpleasant... then you wouldn't survive in my world, Rick. In a competitive software development environment, you've got to keep up to date or you're out of a job within two years. You chose a profession that changes extremely quickly.Originally posted by Rick Silva:
I understand your point about how fast the technology changes. But preparing for this exam is a considerable time commitment. It is taking me three months to prepare for this exam (in addition to my job, and other responsibilities). I don't think it's reasonable to expect people to do this every two years.
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you wouldn't survive in my world
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You have three Sun Certificatons: SCJP, SCJD, and SCWCD. Am I correct that under Sun's recertification policy you now have to recertify EACH cert every two years? That's a part-time job in and of itself!
I understand that the more experience you have, the easier it is to prepare for the exam. But no matter how much experience you have, it is still time-consuming.
My wording was deliberately provocative, and in truth I have no doubt about your ability to survive However I did by no means mean to be arrogant.Originally posted by Rick Silva:
But you have no idea whether I would "survive in [your] world" or not. I have been a Software Engineer for 20 years, and I'm surviving just fine thank you. Your comments are not only harsh, but arrogant.
Peter den Haan | peterdenhaan.com | quantum computing specialist, Objectivity Ltd
Originally posted by Rick Silva:
I understand that the more experience you have, the easier it is to prepare for the exam. But no matter how much experience you have, it is still time-consuming. I have heard tell of some quite experienced people taking the exam and failing it because they didn't spend enough time preparing.
Originally posted by Peter den Haan:
So you check with Microsoft again, and discover that your "Microsoft Certified OS Support Engineer" got his certification on the brand-new cutting-edge MS-DOS 1.25 operating system released August 1982.
I can't imagine that such an experienced person who was certified as long as 20 years ago, when nobody even cared to be certified, would do such terrible things. If it is any plausible case, then for psychiatric illustrations but not for that of certifications
You know, my boss at my previous employment, used to present a company before clients: "We develop applications for Internet already 9 years...".
He told it to convey the idea of experience and not otherwise, all those stuff described with such imagination by
IBM has 150 years, is it a characterization of MS DOS 0.0001?
Originally posted by garth schneider:
For the most part if you are Java Certified even 1.1 you still have a great background to do well with Java. I do not see the Microsoft example holding any water.
I agree. I think that those who are certified in MS DOS 1.1 know much more than those certified in DOS6.0
I am thinking of taking certifications that do not need prerequisites of another certifications.
If it is going to have validity for only 2 years, I am cancelling my study for SCWD certification. It is needed for job-seeking, NEW JOB, not for doing real stuff and not for avoiding being fired from developer position.
Originally posted by garth schneider:
I don't think I want to do that exam over and over again every 2 years. I will be taking more and more advanced exams though (ie.. EJB IBM 483 and 158 etc,etc.).
Me too... But all those plans have at minimum other certifications/exams in prerequisites. I do not work now with Java, and even had I worked, retaking exams mean that you cannot support more than 1-2 in rotation, while otherwise you may move to dozens. I, for ex., thinking about C#.NET, XML, SCWD, UML/OOAD, and even MCSA (it gives more stable job and even interesting inter-disciplinary promises).
In the light of a new information, I shall rethink my certification strategy. I am thinking in eliminating those efforts that require long chains of certifications (with prerequisites of other certs and exams). It is just not viable!
If someone is Chem Engineer , received Diploma 20 years ago. It is all outdated, forgotten, from now non-existent country, but Diploma is valid. Does it tell that experienced Chem. Engineers explode chemical plants? that I should re-take 6 years of education each 2 years? NON-SENSE!
It is not about content but about rather achievement and my characterization of my personal potential capabilities. It also tells that even if person had not worked with that stuff some time he will update himself 10-20 times faster.
Why the same NONSENSE is applied to IT certification?
You know RUP 8incrementall development) and waterfall? The later is considered to be faulty and wrong. So, why the lost way of thinking floats again to the top? Why the same NONSENSE is applied to IT certification?
The certification does not make projects. To the contrary it distracts. The certification is needed primarily for getting jobs (or promotions). When you are in, nobody cares about certification. What does matter is whether you fulfill your tasks or not.
For HR such maintenance of validated certification (2-3 exams for developer or more in some nonSUN certifications) should mean that person had never worked but only studied to take and retake all the time exams!!! THANKS!
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