Originally posted by Ice Penov:
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Love you all,
Originally posted by Ice Penov:
"Read" my previous message more carefully. Repeat if necessary.
Ok, enough about this book. I am not saying anything more about this book. Who cares? I don't, I just regretted my wasted money.
Bottom line--I trashed my sample, you framed yours. Different people, different choices.
Originally posted by Dror Astricher:
Ice, that was realy funny man (((((((((((((((((((((((-:
�Guy 1: Hi, I�m new to j2ee. I wanna pass SCWCD. What should I use?
Guy 2: You�ll pass very easily if you use HFSJ. We all have done that.
Guy 1: Thanx, man.
(�after a while�)
Guy 2: I passed today with 91%. Thanx, SCWCD!�
This proves you have done a wonderful job with making passing the exam not tough job. To me, your book is saying:
�This is going to be on the exam, so memorize it(trust us we know, we made the exam.). This you don�t need to know, cause it is not in the exam. Take this mock exam�a similar one you�ll have on the exam day(trust us we know,�).�
Pardon me, but why don�t you just hand over the questions and spare us the time and the funny karate jokes and the guy that always asks the stupid questions.
Ice, it sounds to me like your style of book is one that is very dense, covers a lot of material, and probably makes a pretty good reference book later on. I've got no problem with that kind of book, I own quite a few myself My experience is however, that that kind of book tends to not provide efficient learning experiences. I'm not saying you can't learn from a reference book, obviously you can, but I am saying that the learning tends to be slower and more painful.
First off, I think that certification is worthwhile, but I think a lot of people blow it out of proportion. It's not equivalent to a college degree, nor is it equivalent to years and years of experience.
Originally posted by shiva viswanathan:
Just one question . Is your name really ICE .?
I find it pretty amazing that you have a name which is so closely alligned
to your attitude . As cold as Ice . Did you evolve like that beacuase of your name or did you change your name according to your attitude
Originally posted by Bert Bates:
Ice, Mat, et. al.,
1 - Be a study guide for the Sun exam
2 - Be an intro to servlets and jsps
-[ July 26, 2005: Message edited by: s mendez]
Group I: People in the industry who wanna confirm their knowledge through an IT certificate. They already have very solid knowledge on the topic and they just need a guide that will tell them what they need to learn, what's on the exam, etc...They feel a little strange about this book, but go on. Here, your book is a God send and is very useful and effective. These guys just use the book and go on with their life..
Group II: People that heard that IT profession pays a lot these days and heard that there is a Guide(that has the label Don't Panic written with an awesome font on the front cover ) that can help them gain the required knowledge,hints and tricks for passing the exam, in a very graphical and illustrative way that people in the ancient Egypt can understand( if written on a cave wall ). They go through the Guide as many times as necessary, do a couple of hundreds of mock exams from various places on the net. In their eyes this book is the greatest book on the planet, cause it 'transformed' them from Java enthusiast into Sun Certified Professionals. The purpose of IT certification demanded by the employees, here is defeated.
Now, consider the situation--
Guy I from Group I and Guy II from Group II apply for the same job position that have just SCWCD as a prerequisite. They look the same from the employees eye(maybe just that one candidate is more cute than the other ). The outcome I leave to you
Originally posted by Claudiu Cismaru:
One thought ... somehow related to this thread...
I finished reading the other book, from Manning (Deshmukh and Malavia) - the book is ok - didn't enjoy it much, the after-chapters tests are rather simple.
You should note that I approve the HF-theory about efficient learning. But, I think that that's the reader job--to know to 'put himself in efficient mode'. He should know best from his experience. Why don't you just publish a book, let's say, 'Head First Thinking' , and describe how you should learn. Then, make a recomendation to that book from your HF-series. Then I can use your HF-series without the things I find a bit irritating. This seems pretty OO to me, opposed to 'repeating the code' in every HF-book. BTW, I know that's impossible for many reasons.
Originally posted by Karen Jirak:
Please just remember that if you don't learn the 'head first' way best, then maybe you can't accurately put yourself into the shoes of someone who does.
you do not address the "expectations" that the the "Head First" phenomenon is creating, i.e. that everything should be this "easy".
As you have accurately pointed out, creating easy and interesting material is more time consuming and not always appropriate in a technical field that is evolving very quickly - in fact sometimes you have to be grateful that there is any documentation at all - which most likely had to be created in the most expedient fashion possible.
While the "Head First" approach is beneficial from the learning perspective, it also seems to have created a significant group of people that will not venture into any new territory that hasn't been already explored by "Head First".
I'm sorry but as a professional in this field you have to be able to read and extract the facts from dry and convoluted specifications, white papers, articles - most of which are produced under extreme time pressure.
Ultimately the only documents that you have any control over are you own
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