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SCWCD 1.5 estimated release date

 
Edisandro Bessa
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Hi guys,

I've just cleared my SCJP exam and I'm planning to start my preparation for SCWCD exam. However, I've just seen at Sun's Web Site that a new J2EE 5 release is on the way.

What are your opinions about how long time will take until the current SCWCD 1.4 exam becomes "out of date".

Is this new exam release coming soon ? Shoud I wait for this new release or do you think I should start right now my preparation for the SCWCD 1.4 one ?


Thanks in advance.

Edisandro.
[ May 03, 2006: Message edited by: Edisandro Bessa ]
 
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I waited for ever to have the K&B 1.5 out in the market for SCJP. I'd say go for 1.4 SCWCD exam, even if SUN comes up with it, the study material wont be ready for a long time.
 
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Hey Edisandro,

The current exam will be available and "current" for a long time. There is no plan to update the SCWCD exam, I would guess that the EARLIEST that the SCWCD will be updated is at least a year away. At that point, the current exam will still be available for AT LEAST another year past that.

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Arjan Times
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Originally posted by Bert Bates:
I would guess that the EARLIEST that the SCWCD will be updated is at least a year away.


Hi Bert,

It's currently almost exactly 1.5 years ago that you made that statement. I wonder if there is by now already something known about a possible SCWCD update?

Personally I would love to see a SCWCD that includes JSF, unified EL, etc. Certainly JSF is quite a huge subject, with lots of things to know about. I was under the impression that it's Sun's intention to gently push more people into JSF as the defacto web view technology (as opposed to using plain JSP). I'm not sure that not having any certification covering JSF is really helping with that.
 
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What I would really love to see is a Web Component certification that is the equivalent of the Developers certification where you have to actually code a project to show that you did not just memorize the answers to a test but really know how to use the technology and code in it.
 
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It certainly doesn't appear that there is a huge impetus to update the exam. Even if the exam is updated to 1.5, I don't think it takes anything away from a person certified on 1.4. The SCWCD exam is a great looking certification on a resume, regardless of the version of the exam.

Now, Sun DID just do a beta on the SCEA exam. It was heavy on JSF and web services. Should we read anything into that? Will the SCWCD be next? Will it include a significant knowledge of JSF?

Actually, don't read anything into it. But the fact is, SCEA has gone through the 1.5 beta. Which exam will be next is anybody's guess.

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Arjan Times
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Originally posted by Cameron McKenzie:
It certainly doesn't appear that there is a huge impetus to update the exam.


There indeed isn't. And I still wonder why that is. It's certainly not due to any lack of customer demand. Both in this forum and on the various Sun hosted forums I've encountered many posts of people asking about an upgrade. In my company alone there are 7 developers who are postponing their SCWCD certification while waiting for the upgrade that (supposedly) will include JSF.

Like I said before, it's also the case that it seems to be Sun's intention to move people away from pure JSP programming and into JSF development, making it the de facto view layer technology.

So, given these two facts, where's the lack of any impetus to update the exam coming from?


Even if the exam is updated to 1.5, I don't think it takes anything away from a person certified on 1.4. The SCWCD exam is a great looking certification on a resume, regardless of the version of the exam.


Of course it is. Hmmmm, could this be perhaps the reason for not upgrading the exam? The fear of devaluating the 1.4 certification? It is of course true that very little has changed for the Servlets and JSP specs, so any person certificated for that would still be as valuable as ever. Nevertheless, JSF is a *huge* spec and a radical new way of working (well, radical for the Java EE platform).

It's not that if you know about Servlets and JSPs, you automatically know about the JSF life cycle, about the purpose of viewhandlers, phaselisteners, etc etc.

Just as webservices got its own certification, it might not even be such a bad idea to give JSF its very own certification too. I think the spec is surely large enough for that.


Which exam will be next is anybody's guess.


I wonder if Bert cares to provide an updated response. He seems to be quite close to the fire. His previous remark made it into the FAQ and at the age of 1.5 years, this remark could need an update too!

So, Bert, if you're reading this, could you update your previous remark? Thanks in advance
 
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Originally posted by Arjan Times:
I wonder if Bert cares to provide an updated response. He seems to be quite close to the fire. His previous remark made it into the FAQ and at the age of 1.5 years, this remark could need an update too!

Maybe you should read the FAQ to see if it has been updated before posting. ScwcdFaq
 
Arjan Times
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Originally posted by Marc Peabody:

Maybe you should read the FAQ to see if it has been updated before posting. ScwcdFaq


Hey, it was actually updated! This was done quite recently, wasn't it? And believe it or not, I -did- check the faq before posting

Anyway, one can read between the lines that SCWCD 5 is indeed being worked on and that it will probably be all the SCWCD 1.4 stuff (or more likely, a subset thereof) with JSF as an extra part. If I really read between the lines the new exam may become available within the time it typically takes for one to prepare for the exam.

Well, we'll see then.

One additional question; do the authors of the various exam preparation books hear about the updated requirements in advance? Otherwise, even if SCWCD 5 was released in 3 months, we'll still have to wait for quite some time for updated books to appear.
 
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