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EclipseIDE and SCWCD

 
Adithya Menon
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I Using Eclipse is good or bad for preparing SCWCD?I am confused please help??will it affect my score?
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Marcus Green
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I recommend NetBeans
 
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I personally don't recommend using an IDE. You don't need to make big things to study the exam, so a simple editor should be enough. A good IDE might hide you some important notions, without you knowing it.
 
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I accept with you satou. Even I started to practice for the exam using netBeans but I felt that I'm missing on some key details. So now I refrain myself from using an IDE for study purposes and I feel better in knowing the semantics of what is actually happening in the background!
 
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"I personally don't recommend using an IDE. You don't need to make big things to study the exam, so a simple editor should be enough. A good IDE might hide you some important notions, without you knowing it."

No, I profoundly disagree. I strongly recommend a basic editor for studying for the SCJP, but when you get to the SCWCD you should know what you are doing with Java and any extra help is a bonus. A good IDE (Netbeans) does not hide details, but gives you very large amounts of help with working out what is happening. Also the debugger is a huge help.
 
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Originally posted by Marcus Green:
No, I profoundly disagree. I strongly recommend a basic editor for studying for the SCJP, but when you get to the SCWCD you should know what you are doing with Java and any extra help is a bonus. A good IDE (Netbeans) does not hide details, but gives you very large amounts of help with working out what is happening. Also the debugger is a huge help.

I agree with Marcus.

Notepad is great for SCJP but will just get in your way for SCWCD. The auto-complete feature [of an IDE] can help you learn APIs - "Whoa! There's an encodeURL and an encodeRedirectURL method!" When you start to get the hang of it, don't rely on the auto-complete, as having a WTF moment like "What do you mean there's no getContextParam() method!?!" will really make the knowledge stick for good.
[ February 28, 2007: Message edited by: Marc Peabody ]
 
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Most people want to advance their career, learn some new knowledge, and so on when they get certifications. At this point, if you are taking this exam, you should know many of the finer details of java and so on.

In the long run, an IDE like Eclipse, Netbeans, Jdeveloper and so on will only help your career. It might make some things easier, quicker, but from my past experience, people who do the hiring want to know you have a handle on using an IDE. If you tell them all you ever used were notepad, many people will look at you as a liar or somebody who hasn't worked on anything important.

Don't rely on it to finish things for you, but learn how to use different IDE's because in the long run, it'll help your career.
 
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I agree with Marcus and Marc, I used NetBeans a lot when preparing for my SCWCD. In fact, I learned quite a lot from it, for example NetBeans can tell you the elements available in the web.xml, the mandatory attributes in JSP tags, the method names, etc. So, go ahead and use any IDE that you like (Eclipse, NetBeans, JDeveloper, etc.), but make sure you don't rely on the auto-complete too much as it will hinder you in memorizing the stuff. Sometimes, you need to type it by yourself Hope that helps.
 
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SCJP and SCWCD are two different beasts. What is good for SCJP is not necessarily good for SCWCD.
NetBeans exposes just the right amount of stuff required for SCWCD. You are saved from wasting your time (from SCWCD perspective) in setting up the env for Tomcat while letting you play with web.xml and other important stuff. Debugger is a great help as well!
 
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I'm too old-fashioned
Thanks everybody for this interesting discussion.
 
Adithya Menon
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Thanks Marcus and everybody for the advice.I just planned to go on with
NetBeans with AutoCompleteFeature disabled.
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