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I fail Why because i did not have one readme.

 
Rahul Mahindrakar
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After patently waiting for some news i finally wrote to sun and here's what sun wrote to me.

There is no README in your project, as required by the instructions. There are README files in the client and server directories, and also a file called instructions.zip. There are no clear instructions on how to execute the client in non-networked mode, which is mandatory.

Here's my reply

CASE I
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There is no README in your project, as required by the instructions.
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The Application has been broken down into two parts which form the Client and the Server. Appropriate documentation for launching the programs has been provided in these folders. This has been done to facilitate the deployment of both the client and server independently along with the documentation. A file containing a detailed description of design choices and other supporting documentation has been uploaded and is available in
the Deliverable folder by the name submission.html. This could have been named readme.html , but was not done so as it does not form a part of the actual deployment scenario but a part of the submission.
CASE II
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There are no clear instructions on how to execute the client in non-networked mode, which is mandatory.
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In the case above please check out the section 4 of readme.htm or
readme.txt which is available in the Client folder. The text has been reproduced below. Please note that I have used the term "Local Mode" and not "non-networked mode" in my documentation. These two terms are assumed to be synonymous in my documentation. The user in all cases can specify the properties in a dialog box which is available through the Edit -Settings Menu. It was a design choice to keep the command line arguments to the minimum and to undertake all settings through the GUI. The Mode can be changed after startup anytime, and then connecting again, using the changed settings by using the menu Server -> Connect. Note however any change to
the policy file is applicable only at startup.
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4. How to Edit the Settings for the Client

To Set the Local Mode

To use the Local mode check the Local Check box and specify the database file or binary file created by the DataConverter tool.
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Case III
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also a file called instructions.zip
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The instructions.zip file is the actual file downloaded from the www.Galton.com/~sun site.

And heres the reply i get today

The assessor has informed me of the following information:
"He failed with a score of 0."

I feel that sun has not properly evaluated my project. I am really dissappointed as i had worked on giving a real good project. I had also worked for it for nearly there months.
And to think that sun fails me just because there is no readme in a particular folder and because they have not read my documentation to find out how to use the non-networked mode.
I am reconsidering taking the Part II and III in such a scenario. I think it is better to take a multi-choice test like the IBM tests than a project test.

[This message has been edited by Rahul Mahindrakar (edited May 17, 2001).]
 
Angela Lamb
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If I remember correctly, you are allowed to submit your project again when you fail. Just make sure to follow their instructions exactly, so they can't reject it for picky reasons again. It would be a shame if all your hard work on the project was for nothing.
 
Emerson Dunne
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Rahul, I also hope you will make another attempt at submitting your project. You are very close... it could be just a matter of including a plain-ASCII README.TXT file.
For what its worth, it sounds to me like SUN MICROSYSTEMS has failed far worse than you have.
I think your post illustrates how companies like SUN MICROSYSTEMS often fail so dramatically at Customer Service. I've seen a few posts from people who have had their submissions rejected and in all cases I've been appalled at the brevity and tone of Sun's responses.
Even if the exam was free, they should have the common decency to provide people with detailed feedback... full of encouragement and appreciation for your effort. Instead they respond with messages that sound like they've been annoyed.
Maybe they are just pissed off at their ever-sinking stock price; but in a slowing market, it seems to me that, now would be a good time to make sure every customer (especially a paying customer like you) is happy doing business with them.
I can't help but wonder what the failed response on a C# Developer certification would look like?
Anyway, I hope you try again!
 
Rahul Mahindrakar
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Hi,
Things are not so bleak now . )))
I quote from the letter from sun sent some time back

You are allowed one resubmission of the assignment at no charge if you fail. If you need to resubmit more than one time, you will need to contact the Sun registrars to pay an additional $125 fee for each subsequent submission. (to find Sun Registration number closest to you
please go to: http://suned.sun.com/usa/cert_reg.html)

I have written to sun on the formalities of resubmition. Lets see what happens.
Most important is that i do not have to pay. Else it would have costed me nearly 7000 Rs. which is a lot of money in India.
Thanks Emerson Dunne and Angela Ann for your support.
Angela Ann : Your response made me check up the for resubmittion. Thanks again

[This message has been edited by Rahul Mahindrakar (edited May 18, 2001).]
 
Glenn Opdycke-Hansen
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Having a programming project is an interesting way to test certification. It is more "real world" than a multiple choice test.
Other features/aspects of the assignment:
-vague requirements, missing information, no feedback.
The plus side is these features is that the developer has to make decisions.

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--glenn
 
Marcela Blei
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Rahul: I think that Sun people didn�t reply you in a correct manner. And of course is terrible to score a 0 in that situation, it seems that they didn�t want to correct the project, just putting an 0 because they didn�t saw the readme file...(I'm angry), but I�m glad that you can submit it again without any additional cost. Take a little effort more...
 
Rahul Mahindrakar
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Marcela Blei,
I cannot take the test again for free. This is the reply i got from sun just now
You will need to purchase resubmission rights from Sun India and they will then
contact us regarding resetting your permissions in the database.
Effective October 1, 2000 if you need to resubmit you will need to contact the
local Sun office to pay an additional $125 fee for each submission.
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I guess i have learnt a lesson here. To stick by the specifications. My user interface is very friendly. One has to just select edit -> preferences and check local checkbox and provide the database file for local use. Guess sun does not have time even to see the project.
Most important i am angry as they have not responded to me. I had to wait and wait until my patience ran out. I had to write to them then. Also when i specified that the required documentation is there[ with respect to non-networked mode they are not willing to listen ]. I think that the front person did not forward my mail to the assessor at all.
Lets see i will give it again. Guess its a challange now to pass.
<h3> And i will rise from the ashes</h3>
Quote : Rahul P. Mahindrakar when he was down but not out.
[This message has been edited by Rahul Mahindrakar (edited May 18, 2001).]
 
Marcela Blei
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But Rahul, you receive first a mail from sun thata says:
"You are allowed one resubmission of the assignment at no charge if you fail. If you need to resubmit more than one time, you will need to...", and then they told you another thing, I don�t understand, really it isn�t just.
 
Angela Poynton
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Rahul,
This is terrible. They should at least give you one opportunity to re-submit for free!!
Good for for not giving up though! My dad used used to drum this saying into me and it's been my philosophy ever since.
"If at first your don't suceed, try, try and try again!" In other words don't give up, no matter what!
 
Rahul Mahindrakar
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Marcela,
Check out this link over here
I sent a letter on friday to Sun. Here are the contents
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Troia,
Based on a letter from Sun Mr. Johnathan Sylester dated 13th of September which tantamounts to a "letter of Offer", I have bought the voucher for SCJD immediately. I have a invoice to prove this too. Sun through this letter promised me this " You are allowed one resubmission of the assignment at no charge if you fail." I have taken my time in preparing for the exam and have failed it recently.
I ask Sun to fulfill their part of the contract ie provide me one resubmission at no charge at all since it is a part of the deal. If Sun has changed its policies from 1st October 2000 it does not apply to me as i had already entered into contract with Sun by then.
Please do not dump this letter and check out with your legal department if i have the right to demand what is mine.
Thanks
Rahul P. Mahindrakar
Consultant,
Zensar Technologies Ltd.
SCJP2 & SCJEA - Part 1
Javaranch forum Moderator for IBM Application Servers
rahul@javaranch.com
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I have not got a reply from them. I guess they will just ignore it and dump it.

Thanks Angela and Marcela for your support. I guess now it is not important that i have failed but to see that sun sticks by their promise. If they do so then they are "Customer Oriented" company else they are another company looking out to fleece their customers.

[This message has been edited by Rahul Mahindrakar (edited May 21, 2001).]
 
Marcela Blei
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Rahul: You have to send mails until you get a reply. I think there is another terrible thing in this story: they can�t put an 0 to you for missing or didn�t put the readme file they want
Like in the Programmer Certification they should separate objetives an put a score for each one. I think that a readme files is not just so important to discard an exam, perhaps you won�t pass with this problem but you need a detail.
 
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Fight Rahul.....Don't give up !
 
Rahul Mahindrakar
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Hi here is the reply i got today
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Hello,
This is the response from the assessor:
The instructions you received state:
"You must create a single text file (plain ASCII format, wordprocessor formats are unacceptable) called README or README.TXT that describes to the examiner the following information:
how to execute the programs
the files you have submitted, with a note of their location in
the directory structure, and a high level description of the purpose of each.
a specific note indicating what file(s) contain(s) a detailed
description of your design choices and other supporting documentation. "
We understand that this may seem like a small point, but in order to maintain
uniformity and fairness we have to require that you and all other
candidates follow this instruction.
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I would like to state that may be as sun says to maintain uniformity and fairness i have made a mistake in not keeping a readme.txt but as a submission.html. I am now not complaining about this.
But i would still like to receive my free submission that is available to me as per their letter of offer.
I am waiting for their response. Let see what sun has to say about this.
 
Rahul Mahindrakar
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Thanks a lot guys . I am really happy .
Sun has accepted its obligations. Here is the letter from sun.
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We have now set the database to accept your upload.
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Thanks a lot again. I wouldn't have done it without you.

I am really happy
 
Ravikiran Choppalli
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congratulations Rahul,
Your persistence helped you.
Good luck for the exam.

With Best Wishes....
Ravi
 
Vivek Viswanathan
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Hi
Congradulations, It is really great that you got through.
This post was the most exciting post ever :-)
Vivek
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Alex Zhang
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Sun Should do that as it is not a fatal mistake of you
Congradulations!!!
Alex Zhang
 
Rahul Mahindrakar
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I think that there has been a misunderstanding. Before October 2000 if one failed then one could undertake a resubmission. I had bought my coupen in september 2000. It is due to this that sun has accepted my claim for a resubmission.
Sun has failed me the first time. This is my second attempt.
This facility will not be available to those writing the exams now. So please be careful and learn some lessons from what has happened. I have learnt mine and will take time to upload again. Sun has a right to demand that i submit my readme.txt file. It is clearly specified. I did not do so.
Please do not make a similar mistake.
You do not have the facility of resubmission.
 
shailesh sonavadekar
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all the best for resubmission. so , sun has accepted your view point.
Shailesh.
 
Stevie Kaligis
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I more than happy to hear that Rahul....
good luck....!
stevie
 
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