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What's It Worth?

 
Peter Harvey
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I was just wondering what the Java developer project was worth in the real world, ie what a software company would charge for such a project (not that I'd ever ask anyone to do it for me. I just want to find out what it's worth.)
 
Aleksey Matiychenko
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Not much.
I doubt you would ever roll out a project like this in production.
The database is primitive. Server communication is limited.
 
Paul Anilprem
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The project itself is not very useful but the concepts that you learn while developing it are very important. It makes you appreciate some real issues that you will face while working on a real project. Of course, it is not much useful for experienced people although they also may learn a lot of things from it.

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Peter Harvey
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I was really hoping to get an actual number. Are we talking <$1000, >$1000, <$500, >$500, etc, etc.? Just a range will do, something I can wrap my head around.
 
Ravikiran Choppalli
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Peter,
This is something like earning a Degree. Can you evaluate how much it is worth ?
Based on what you learned by earning a degree, you get a job which determines the values of your degree earned.
There are lots of people with Degrees but no jobs.
Hope you got the point.
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Ravi.
 
Peter Harvey
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Ravikiran, you're missing my point. I know all about the benefits of education. I'm not asking about what the certification is worth. I want to know what I should charge people if I go into business for myself, not what one specific project is worth. In order to evaluate a pay scale, one must first have a starting point. It can be a low starting point and work upward, or a high point and work downward, but a starting point is needed. Since the developer project is a basic one, I figured it would be a good point to start with. As a person who has a lot of creditials but little actual experience, I know all about learning for learning's sake. What I need to know now is how much a company is willing to pay for a project, and the developer project is as good as any to begin with.
It wouldn't hurt any of us if we found out what we are worth. And just because a person would like to find out their market value, that doesn't make them greedy. It makes them practical. Free love is great, but it doesn't pay the bills. When you consider the number of unemployed students who use this forum, a little bit of practical advice could help a lot of people.
Sorry to run on, but when I started this post, I figured that I wouldn't get a straight answer, and I was right. Don't take any comments personally. You just happened to be the one who said what everyone else was thinking.
 
Sandra Wong
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Well, I'll look at this way. Many of my friends who have no work experience and they certified as a SCJD to find a job, on their resume, they describe the project as one of their hand-on experience, and companies love it. For me, I am a DBA, I just want to learn many different things, to make sure I am not behind.
 
Aleksey Matiychenko
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To repeat my point this project is not worth much as is.
In theory a java consultant rate go up to $2000 per day. At least my group pays that to very senior people.
For a junior consultant you can probably charge 30-50 bucks per hour. If you figure that a project takes 20 -30 hours to complete then you can probably charge up to 1,500 for it.
But that's just a guess.
 
Peter Harvey
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Thanks, Aleksey.
At least now I have a starting point. Before now, I felt like I was stumbling around in the dark.
This are the things which they don't teach in school, but should.
Maybe JavaRanch should have a slogan: "Where school leaves off, we begin..."
 
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