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Hi:
Thanks for the reply last time! Now I know there are ~42,000 registered user in the ranch. That is simply amazing. Think about it, 42,000 is more than the student number in most US university campus.
So maybe we can put it this way:
Trailboss is equal to principle;
Sheriff is equal to dean;
Bartender is equal to department head;
A good university requires good leaders, not only good in teaching, but also good in professionalism. So I have to ask: is some sheriff really qualified? To avoid confusion, I have to single out:
Michael E.
Map I.
Even a sheriff position is not as competitive as a college dean, it is a minimum to make public education background (school, major, degree).
This is INTERNET age, anyone get online with a computer. How do I know I am not talking to a prisoner?
 
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Oh. I thought Michael Ernest is your exclusive target. Did I join his company for this?
We recently learnt from you that Michael Ernest is a wife-beater - thank you for valuable information. You do not by chance hope to be taken seriously, do you?
 
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Originally posted by Mapraputa Is:
Oh. I thought Michael Ernest is your exclusive target. Did I join his company for this?
We recently learnt from you that Michael Ernest is a wife-beater - thank you for valuable information. You do not by chance hope to be taken seriously, do you?

I don't know what you are talking about. But I do hope to be taken seriously. What do you think Javaranch is? A red light zone?
 
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Originally posted by <Java Greenhorn>:
But I do hope to be taken seriously.

Well you could start by not being such a coward and posting behind an anonymous name. Then you could lose the personal attacks. But since neither is going to happen, I say just piss off.
[ December 01, 2002: Message edited by: Chris Mathews ]
 
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Originally posted by Chris Mathews:

Well you could start by not being such a coward and posting behind an anonymous name. Then you could lose the personal attacks. But since neither is going to happen, I say just piss off.
[ December 01, 2002: Message edited by: Chris Mathews ]


Well, I remain anonymous for a reason. But don't you agree what I said in my previous post?
Would you like to be in MIT, Stanford? or you like to be in U. of Ighnvcddf?
I am sure you like former. Javaranch is the best right now. Every racher like to stay that way. What is the best way to achieve that?
Good Teacher + Good Student
So everyone can help out. Don't you agree? Sir.
 
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Michael and Map have helped hundreds, maybe thousands of people, one at a time. They've donated an enormous slice of their lives to helping people they don't even know.
I think I would have to question the integrity of anyone that would question the integrity of Mike or Map.
 
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Sir,
I fully agree what you said. But integrity alone won't make it all the way. Two examples are presidential election and college dean election.
A javaranch sheriff is closer to a college dean, since the nature of the ranch. To a college dean, integrity is important, but more important is academic ability (including education background)
Sometimes I like to visit WebMD, each time I find WebMD� TERMS AND CONDITIONS OF USE :
"Always seek the advice of your physician or other qualified health provider with any questions you may have regarding a medical condition. Never disregard professional medical advice or delay in seeking it because of something you have read on the WebMD Site!"
That always reminds me the seriousness of on-line business.
 
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Originally posted by <Java Greenhorn>:

Well, I remain anonymous for a reason. But don't you agree what I said in my previous post?
Would you like to be in MIT, Stanford? or you like to be in U. of Ighnvcddf?
I am sure you like former. Javaranch is the best right now. Every racher like to stay that way. What is the best way to achieve that?
Good Teacher + Good Student

You obliquely question whether Map or I are qualified, but you don't suggest what your own criteria are? To ask "are they really qualified" doesn't mean anything to me since you don't state any requirements for qualification.
Your "MIT/Stanford vs. Ighnvcddf" comparison seems a thinly-veiled expression of would-be elitism. Are we to understand from your example that MIT/Stanford are places to be because they are prestigious? If you stand behind this idea, why not name some real institutions as your counter-examples? Why not, say, the University of California at Davis, or Kent State University in Ohio, or The Claremont Graduate School in southern California?
In any event: JavaRanch is not a degree-granting institution. The people who moderate and maintain this site are volunteers; their qualifications are simple: they want to help this site and they've met with the approval of other people who help keep this site going.
JavaRanch is anything but a university-like setting. You can tell in part by how much tuition you're required to pay to use this site.
If you don't like what Map or I write, that's fine. Just scroll past. There's much, much more this site has to offer.
Lastly, you've been called a coward above, and I am starting to think the term is too limiting. We know you've posted to JavaRanch under several <pseudonyms>. Your content, aside from this legitimate-sounding concern, amounts to several personal insults and various links to sports news sites. Not only do you seem to have nothing to say on Java, apparently you can't even write drivel very well.
Why don't you let us know when you get to MIT or Stanford? Then you can tell us by firsthand experience what a really good school is like.
[ December 01, 2002: Message edited by: Michael Ernest ]
 
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Tell ya what. You pay me $10,000 per year (just as you would a decent university) and I'll research the qualifications of Map and Mike.
Remember, Map and Mike get paid zippo for their contributions here. And you pay zippo to receive their kind words. I think you are getting far more than your money's worth.
Another interesting point: If you have so much respect for the qualifications of the ivy league, why is it that you do not care for their on-line java forums? Could it possibly be that the less-than-formal institution you do frequent is better than the formal instution that checks up on people's qualifications?
While that sort of thing may have some value for some people, I guess if we all did it that way, you would still be struggling to learn Java.
 
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Why attack Map and Mike. They are published authors who have written books about Java!!!
 
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So what do your guys want me to do?
 
Thomas Paul
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Originally posted by <Java Greenhorn>:
So what do your guys want me to do?

Stop acting like a fool.
 
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Firstly, you have to be careful with your language;
Secondly, what I did is perfectly normal, if you can't take criticism, then people have reasons to think you are a fool.
 
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I'm confused, <Java Greenhorn>. Thomas has responded to your question but it sounds like you're speaking as if someone asked you a question. Are you responding to Thomas or talking to yourself out loud? Or is someone else now posting as <Java Greenhorn>?
You've questioned whether Map and I are qualified to serve as sheriffs, but you make no actual complaint.
Your response to Map early in this thread is anything but careful languge, much less normal behavior, much less plain English. Your "red light zone" comment is just odd.
Paul offers you one criterion -- integrity -- which doesn't satisfy you. Still you don't say what attributes do meet your expectations. You appear to start drawing an analogy to WebMD which I think is supposed tie back to your concerns, but you don't say plainly what you mean by this example.
I'd offer you some criteria, but my idea of what counts for my credibility is on our contact page. Judging by your posts to date, you seem to want to discuss sports (if not just post a lot of sports news links) and vent some personal animus toward me and Map. I know why Map, Thomas, Paul and I are here; I have no idea why you're here.
You've used anonymity to attack people here and yet you worry over the proper standards a site like this should maintain. I don't presume these present contradictions in your own mind, but if you're looking for a course of action, you could just go away, or you could behave like a civilized person and use this site as it was intended -- to learn Java and possibly get certified.
If you do intend to slander me on this site further, though, you might cover your tracks better than you do. Today I notified your ISP (telus.net) using a standard complaint letter and shown them the kind of material you've been posting here.
 
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I will stay, until the day java no longer exists.
 
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Hi Michael:
Did I ever slander you? no, I was just joking. Sorry if it appears that way.
 
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Originally posted by <Java Greenhorn>:
Secondly, what I did is perfectly normal, if you can't take criticism, then people have reasons to think you are a fool.

Attacking strangers who are trying to help people is normal? You are a fool.
 
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Originally posted by <Java Greenhorn>:
Hi Michael:
Did I ever slander you? no, I was just joking. Sorry if it appears that way.

Joking about Michael being a wife beater? So should we joke about you being a child molester? How do we know you aren't?
 
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