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When will the current SCJD be upgraded to J2SE 5.0?

 
Ko Ko Naing
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I've heard that SCJP 1.4 is going to be upgraded soon within the first quarter of 2005... I just would like to know when the current SCJD will be upgraded, corresponding to SCJP 1.5...

If I start to do SCJD 1.4 now, will it be worth? Should I wait for the new SCJD to come and do the new one? Any comment? Thanks...
 
Wilder C Rodrigues
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Where did you hear that? I think they will be upgraded at the same time because SCDJ extends SCPJ.

I'm studying to SCEA and after that I'll upgrade all my certfications.

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Originally posted by Wilder Rodrigues:
I think they will be upgraded at the same time because SCDJ extends SCPJ.


No Wilder, they won't be upgraded at the same time. The upgrading process is not that easy... Sun makes a lot of effords and time to upgrade a certain exam... After the new SCJP is upgraded round about in March 2005, the new SCJD will follow any time after then... That's why I would like the ranchers to post their opinions for the upcoming SCJD...
 
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Hi, guys. The SCJD is different from SCJP in that it is an exam not for a particular version of the Java 2 platform. It is an exam for the Java 2 platform itself. So there is really no upgrade needed. For as long as Java 2 platform is not superceded by the Java 3 platform, the exam is valid.
 
Ko Ko Naing
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Originally posted by Anton Golovin:
Hi, guys. The SCJD is different from SCJP in that it is an exam not for a particular version of the Java 2 platform. It is an exam for the Java 2 platform itself. So there is really no upgrade needed. For as long as Java 2 platform is not superceded by the Java 3 platform, the exam is valid.


Then why are there different versions of SCJD (1.2 and 1.4 as an example) in the past?
 
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Hi, Ko Ko. I looked into SunCert Database, and there are three versions of SCJD: 1.0.2, 1.1 and Java 2. The first two relate to Java 1 platform as it was maturing, and therefore could reflect some radical changes to the way software was developed. There has been only one version for Java 2 Platform so far. I think the latest changes may not be radical enough, though, to require a new version. (There is no switch for AWT to Swing, for instance.)

It's just my opinion. I don't see a need for reformulating the assignment. I do, however, see a need for revamping the JSCP exam. Personally, I probably would not take the new version because of having passed SCJD, supposedly a more advanced certification. But the level of Java at which the language changes have occurred is what SCJP tests for, not what SCJD tests for.
[ November 20, 2004: Message edited by: Anton Golovin ]
 
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Originally posted by Anton Golovin:
Hi, guys. The SCJD is different from SCJP in that it is an exam not for a particular version of the Java 2 platform. It is an exam for the Java 2 platform itself. So there is really no upgrade needed. For as long as Java 2 platform is not superceded by the Java 3 platform, the exam is valid.


Java 1.5 (tiger) is now called Java 5.0 in the Sun marketing literature. So Java 2 has been superceded. Even so, I agree that there is not likely to be any big rush to put out a new SCJD. I expect that to arrive late next year at the earliest. I've used 1.5 and its still a bit on the bleeding edge, I'll wait for 1.5.2 before using it for anything serious.
 
Ko Ko Naing
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Originally posted by Anton Golovin:
It's just my opinion. I don't see a need for reformulating the assignment.

I don't see either... But what if we want to use the greatest power of Tiger to accomplish the assignment more effectively and effeciently? We cannot use JDK 1.5 for the current SCJD 1.4 for sure...
But the level of Java at which the language changes have occurred is what SCJP tests for, not what SCJD tests for.[/QB]

As I mentioned before, if we know how to solve a problem easily using a great feature of Tiger, we cannot use it in the current SCJD exam, can we? So I believe that Sun will surely upgrade it SCJD sooner or later, after the upgrade of SCJP in March 2005...
 
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Originally posted by peter wooster:


Java 1.5 (tiger) is now called Java 5.0 in the Sun marketing literature. So Java 2 has been superceded.

Actually its still Java 2, specifically "Java(TM) 2 Platform Standard Edition 5.0 or J2SE(TM) 5.0", as stated here. It really couldn't be more confusing.

Matt
[ November 20, 2004: Message edited by: Matt Sheehan. ]
 
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Hallo

I have the same dilemma, I prepare my self for the developer exam and after the winter hollidays I gonna register and staart to work on assignment.
In my opinion "the tiger" language specific (new) features must be tested in a programmer exam and form the developer side there are not so many changes - so I don't think(and hope) that a new developer exam will come.
 
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Sun certification pages tells that we can use any final version (not beta) newer than 18 months. I think we can make the current projects with java 5 with no problems. It's very important to tell this on the docs, of course...
 
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I think we can make the current projects with java 5 with no problems. It's very important to tell this on the docs, of course...



Please see using Tiger for current SCJD issues:
http://www.coderanch.com/t/186401/java-developer-SCJD/certification/Tiger-SCJD

Nick
[ November 23, 2004: Message edited by: Nicholas Cheung ]
 
Nicholas Cheung
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and form the developer side there are not so many changes

It depends on how SUN set the new requirements. For example, in current SCJD, we just need to read a DB file, and do searching using our own method. In SCJD Tiger, the requirement might change so that we need to use Regular Expression for searching. Thus, if requirements change, and *force* us to use new features, then it is another story.

Nick
 
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Ko Ko,


So I believe that Sun will surely upgrade it SCJD sooner or later, after the upgrade of SCJP in March 2005...



I prefer SUN to update the out-dated SCEA first!

Nick
 
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As I mentioned before, if we know how to solve a problem easily using a great feature of Tiger, we cannot use it in the current SCJD exam, can we? So I believe that Sun will surely upgrade it SCJD sooner or later, after the upgrade of SCJP in March 2005...

It would be nice to learn how to use the new thread utilities for the SCJD. However, I don't think we can deduce that new features implies new SCJD. Think about NIO. I've heard it's not allowed on *some* assignments.
 
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Originally posted by Nicholas Cheung:
Ko Ko,




I prefer SUN to update the out-dated SCEA first!

Nick


I think so... They even should update SCEA before SCJP... The current SCEA is too old in tech already... But do u think the new SCJD will come faster than the new SCEA?
 
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Is there any word out on the use of Tiger on the current SCJD assignment?
I've recieved my assignment and looking into some solutions. The new locking mechanism in Tiger is pretty straight forward and imho can provide an elegant solution to some problems in the assignment. Also the new queueing an concurrent collections seem very interesting.

Can I start conding using Tiger?
 
Ko Ko Naing
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Originally posted by Jan Groot:
Is there any word out on the use of Tiger on the current SCJD assignment?

No not yet...
Can I start conding using Tiger?

I don't think you can use Tiger's feature in the current assignment... So be aware of this...
 
Jan Groot
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But why not? My assignments doesn't exclude them, and Tiger is a productionversion... grrrrrr....
 
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Hi everyone,

I asked Sun Education about this, and here is their reply:

Hello Andrew,

Thank you for contacting Sun Certification regarding the use of J2SE 1.5. Candidates may use J2SE 1.4 or 1.5 moving forward. We will be upgrading our SCJD certification, however we do not have set date at this time. When we do set a date we will also be recruiting candidates for our beta. Posting will be made on our Certification site and on JavaRanch.

Hope this answers your questions. Please feel free to contact me with any others.

Regards,

Monica


Regards, Andrew
 
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Thanks for the update!

regards,

Jan

(currently head first into the designpatterns, got it in the mail this morning, currently at the job, can't put it down ;-))
 
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