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SCJP value?

 
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Anyone here want to comment on the future value of the SCJP exam?
Seeing there is a hoard of individuals preparing to become certified, what and how will the industry react? I know 1-2 years ago, the notion of being certified was somewhat prestigious and showed you were a member or a small exclusive class. But now we have people treating as if it their ticket for food. I wonder if either the exams became more difficult in the future or some restrictions were placed or worst, employers eventually minimizing the value of being certified.
I'm employed as a developer at a major New York City financial firm, and management here are slowly beginning to voice their opinions that they are seeking much more than simply a certification. Many here place are beginning to place great worth on good communication skills, leadership, team-play, and other non-technical attributes. Technically, they are starting to look for people who have some grasp of the US economy, finance, and are business savvy as opposed to someone who is simply a techie.
Any comments?
 
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Hi Rick
I think you are right in the point that the exam does not prove that you are capable to develop future oriented applications and understand about business logic etc. That is something we all have to learn somewhere else or gain experience over the years.
Even if there are a lot of people taking the exam you still have to know the language very well and that's what it proves if you pass. Why don't you go on and try the developer and the architect exam. Those exams are more about developing good software and judgment of solutions for a particular problem.
Finally I think we need both: good engineering knowledge and understanding of the business we are involved in. You can't have one without the other.
Take care
Jakob
 
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Let me start by saying I am not a certified Java programmer. However I am working towards it. Now let me explain my position on certification. I really wouldn't care if employers ever looked for it on a resume. Getting certified is for me and purely a thing for me to achieve more than anything else. It doesn't mean anything to me if 80 billion people were certified. The fact is I would be one of them and nothing more. I love to program and getting certified would be good a thing for me to accomplish as a programmer. See you gotta think about yourself before you start worrying about what employers think. Thats the problem with todays society, they worry about what others think of them and they perform to others expectations. You gotta do what you feel is right and let the cards fall where they may.
|Many here place are beginning to place great
|worth on good communication skills,
|leadership, team-play, and
|other non-technical attributes.
These attributes should be present in everyone no matter if an employer seeks them or not.
Frank

[This message has been edited by Frank Hale (edited June 07, 2000).]
[This message has been edited by Frank Hale (edited June 07, 2000).]
 
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A well rounded set of skills is always a plus on the job. "Soft" skills such as the ability to communicate ideas ( orally and written ), and working well within a team are important in the long term for a given position. Good technical skills are a must, but there are not many positions where one can work in pure isolation - being able to work effectively with others is important.
A recent IDG study showed 85% of managers viewed those with Certification as more productive ( whether that is true or not, aligning yourself with what your management team feels is important is good for career growth ).
Certification is growing rapidly - in all technologies, Java included.
Regards,
Dave http://www.enterprisedeveloper.com/jcertify
 
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I agree with Frank. Though I am not working in java, hey...
its was my perosonal goal to learn and get certified. While
many in the team may not give importance .... it doesn't
matter a thing to me. It was more of a personal goal
rather than anything else.
Well if prospective employers give it importance it just adds
to my advantage. Personally to me it doesn't matter what
someone else thinks, but having SCJP is not an easy task. Yes
there are millions out there and I may be just one of them.
However there are billions out there who are not SCJP and
I am not one of them.
It is a competitive world after all ...... and one should
always remember Darwins' theory.
dhecksel:
aligning yourself with what your management team feels is important is good for career growth
I will take your stmt (repeated above) with a pinch
of salt. . My personal opinion.
Regds.
- satya
 
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hi,
personally when i started out my aim was just "i should just pass this exam". but as i am working towards it my aim has suddenly tilted towards knowing more and more. Seeing people like maha anna, satya and others i feel that i should reach that zenith. i think that most people should go this way. Certification should be the end objective but with a huge Knowledge base behind it. I think that in future passing the exam will be a must as more and more people pass.

Rahul
[This message has been edited by rahul_mkar (edited June 07, 2000).]
 
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