• Post Reply Bookmark Topic Watch Topic
  • New Topic
programming forums Java Mobile Certification Databases Caching Books Engineering Micro Controllers OS Languages Paradigms IDEs Build Tools Frameworks Application Servers Open Source This Site Careers Other Pie Elite all forums
this forum made possible by our volunteer staff, including ...
Marshals:
  • Campbell Ritchie
  • Jeanne Boyarsky
  • Ron McLeod
  • Paul Clapham
  • Liutauras Vilda
Sheriffs:
  • paul wheaton
  • Rob Spoor
  • Devaka Cooray
Saloon Keepers:
  • Stephan van Hulst
  • Tim Holloway
  • Carey Brown
  • Frits Walraven
  • Tim Moores
Bartenders:
  • Mikalai Zaikin

i wanna know whether i have to handle the AWT very well when i enter the exam

 
Greenhorn
Posts: 2
  • Mark post as helpful
  • send pies
    Number of slices to send:
    Optional 'thank-you' note:
  • Quote
  • Report post to moderator
i wanna know whether i have to handle the AWT very well when i enter the exam.
does the girdbaglayout will in the exam?
i think in the latest SL275 book , something such as GUI programe and part of AWT and IO were deleted, and these articles were put at last part of the book. does it mean these part are not important and it won't appear in the exam? please tell me.
------------------
Chinese has long history..
today..
 
arch rival
Posts: 2813
  • Mark post as helpful
  • send pies
    Number of slices to send:
    Optional 'thank-you' note:
  • Quote
  • Report post to moderator
You will not questions on girdbaglayout
Marcus
 
Chinese Boy
Greenhorn
Posts: 2
  • Mark post as helpful
  • send pies
    Number of slices to send:
    Optional 'thank-you' note:
  • Quote
  • Report post to moderator
thank you marcus, i am really lucky that it's my frist question and marcus answered me. oh,i will try to pass with 100%.
 
Greenhorn
Posts: 12
  • Mark post as helpful
  • send pies
    Number of slices to send:
    Optional 'thank-you' note:
  • Quote
  • Report post to moderator
Hi Marcus,
Do you mean the exam won't ask questions about GridBagLayout? Can you clarify this please.
 
Marcus Green
arch rival
Posts: 2813
  • Mark post as helpful
  • send pies
    Number of slices to send:
    Optional 'thank-you' note:
  • Quote
  • Report post to moderator
No I was answering the question as asked, the exam does not cover girdbaglayout.
Marcus
 
Dian He
Greenhorn
Posts: 12
  • Mark post as helpful
  • send pies
    Number of slices to send:
    Optional 'thank-you' note:
  • Quote
  • Report post to moderator

But in your mock exam, you do cover the GridBagLayout, for instance, Mock Exam No2, Question 15. Can you explain please.
 
Marcus Green
arch rival
Posts: 2813
  • Mark post as helpful
  • send pies
    Number of slices to send:
    Optional 'thank-you' note:
  • Quote
  • Report post to moderator
Yes, the exam definitly covers GridBagLayout but I have never heard of the girdbaglayout and it certainly doesn't come up on the exam. GridBagLayout is a particularly horrible class that was not designed within Sun and does not conform to the naming conventions generally used within Java. For this reason it is quite hard to learn and in the real world of programming I prefer to either not use it or to use a Gui layout tool to manipluate it.
However you do need to be generally familiar with it for the purposes of the exam as GridBagLayout can definitly come up. There was some confusion a year or so ago as one edition of the RHE book that said that GridBagLayout was not on the exam, this was corrected in a later version.

If anyone has any doubts about what does or does not come up on the exam, go over my tutorial. It gets requested tens of thousands of times per week and I cannot remember getting any feedback that said a topic came up on the exam that is not at least mentioned in my tutorial.

Marcus
------------------
http://www.jchq.net Mock Exams, FAQ, Tutorial, Links, Book reviews
=================================================
Almost as good as JavaRanch
=================================================
 
"The Hood"
Posts: 8521
  • Mark post as helpful
  • send pies
    Number of slices to send:
    Optional 'thank-you' note:
  • Quote
  • Report post to moderator
Marcus is making an editorial comment on the spelling - which by the way, is essential in getting anything to compile correctly.
GridBagLayout is on the exam.
girdbaglayout is not.
 
Ranch Hand
Posts: 3141
  • Mark post as helpful
  • send pies
    Number of slices to send:
    Optional 'thank-you' note:
  • Quote
  • Report post to moderator
Chinese Boy,
Please read the JavaRanch Name Policy and register using a name that complies with the rules.
Thanks for your cooperation.
------------------
Jane Griscti
Sun Certified Programmer for the Java� 2 Platform
 
mister krabs
Posts: 13974
  • Mark post as helpful
  • send pies
    Number of slices to send:
    Optional 'thank-you' note:
  • Quote
  • Report post to moderator

Originally posted by Marcus Green:
GridBagLayout is a particularly horrible class that was not designed within Sun and does not conform to the naming conventions generally used within Java. For this reason it is quite hard to learn ...

Are you saying that it is hard to learn because it doesn't follow the naming conventions? I agree that it can be hard to use (although it is quite powerful) but I didn't think the difficulties came from the name.
 
Marcus Green
arch rival
Posts: 2813
  • Mark post as helpful
  • send pies
    Number of slices to send:
    Optional 'thank-you' note:
  • Quote
  • Report post to moderator
It seems to me that the use of the auxiliary GridBagConstraints class does not fit in with the common design models used in most of the other classes, and using direct settings of field values, ie
gbl.weightx=100;
instead of
gbl.setWeightx(100);
Goes against both the naming conventions generally promoted within the main body of Java classes. It also departs from the concept of encapsulation with accessors and mutator methods.
Marcus
 
Greenhorn
Posts: 6
  • Mark post as helpful
  • send pies
    Number of slices to send:
    Optional 'thank-you' note:
  • Quote
  • Report post to moderator
Cindy and Marcus:
If spelling is so important, then Marcus is "definitely" incorrect in his response.
I find it a shame that a person who has done so much to help others learn Java could be so inconsiderate in their response. I certainly missed his meaning. I would like to see Marcus try to pass a Java certification exam in Chinese; I think that might alter his attitude just a bit.
 
Marcus Green
arch rival
Posts: 2813
  • Mark post as helpful
  • send pies
    Number of slices to send:
    Optional 'thank-you' note:
  • Quote
  • Report post to moderator
yaeger
I have a general policy of trying to always be sweetness and light but sometimes I get the grumps on, I shouldn't but I do.
For every 10'000 helpful encouraging words I make public a few dozen are a have a hint of lemon juice in them. I was never going to leave my original response on its own , I just want people to put in as much thought into asking questions as all these fine people do into answering them.
Marcus
 
Ranch Hand
Posts: 1157
  • Mark post as helpful
  • send pies
    Number of slices to send:
    Optional 'thank-you' note:
  • Quote
  • Report post to moderator
Hey Yaeger,

Originally posted by yaeger rosenberg:
Cindy and Marcus:
If spelling is so important, then Marcus is "definitely" incorrect in his response.
I find it a shame that a person who has done so much to help others learn Java could be so inconsiderate in their response. I certainly missed his meaning. I would like to see Marcus try to pass a Java certification exam in Chinese; I think that might alter his attitude just a bit.


Don't exaggerate it so much!Why would you want to attack someone who is willing to teach you from your mistakes?After all, spelling a java class incorrectly is a crime.If compiler doesn't spare you, why should Marcus? .Infact, this method of learning actually helps a long way.I am sure the poster will never spell GridBagLayout wrong again!It will surely work in his credit.
Your statements against Marcus is not in the spirit of discussing, learning and sharing technical knowledge.Look at the positive side of it.Marcus has done so much to the SCJP2 test aspirants.He deserves lots of respect and credit unlike what you have mentioned.I am sure you would have gone through his site if you have taken/or have decided to take SCJP2 test.

-- Sandeep
SCJP2, OCSD(Oracle JDeveloper), OCED(Oracle Internet Platform)
[This message has been edited by Desai Sandeep (edited August 30, 2001).]
 
Marcus Green
arch rival
Posts: 2813
  • Mark post as helpful
  • send pies
    Number of slices to send:
    Optional 'thank-you' note:
  • Quote
  • Report post to moderator
I was grumpy I should not have been, you know how it is, bank charges you for being overdrawn, get 17 foolish emails asking things like "Do you have any advice on how to pass the SCJP", like I have not made 60'000 words freely available on the subject, someone breaks your car window and doesn't even steal anything, ISP forgets to forward from one of your domains and so I'm a ready bite the head of anyone who doesn't get everything utterly utterly accurate and I'm considering a private members bill in Parliament to make the mis spelling of Java Class Names a capital offence.
The original post was a good and non obvious question, and I felt an utter heel (or is that heal) when I got thanks for my slightly misleading answer. I'm terrible at spolling moiself.
Marcus
 
Thomas Paul
mister krabs
Posts: 13974
  • Mark post as helpful
  • send pies
    Number of slices to send:
    Optional 'thank-you' note:
  • Quote
  • Report post to moderator
Don't feel too bad. China Boy asked for a brain dump (real test questions from people who have already taken the test) in another thread which qualifies him as slightly lower than pond scum on the evolutionary scale. Personally, I wish you had not corrected his mistake in believing your answer and that he had then failed the test because he didn't bother studying GridBaglayout.
 
yaeger rosenberg
Greenhorn
Posts: 6
  • Mark post as helpful
  • send pies
    Number of slices to send:
    Optional 'thank-you' note:
  • Quote
  • Report post to moderator
Sorry to have started an irrelevant flame; I REALLY do appreciate all the work that Marcus, Thomas, Cindy, et. al. have put into this and other sites. It has helped me enormously. I especially appreciate Marcus' response; it takes a BIG person to admit to having a bad day.
 
reply
    Bookmark Topic Watch Topic
  • New Topic