Originally posted by Edward Shmukler:
I'm afraid that java will dissappear soon:
1)IE 6 won't include the JVM and more than 90% use IE.
2)Microsoft has created the .Net technology including c# which is kind of a better version of Java.
3)The only use for the portability of java is for programmers who work on unix. Regular users(more than 95%) use windows. And because c# is better now the c++ will immigrate to c# instead of Java.
So i guess the certification is useless...
Originally posted by Hideaki Takashima:
I am a Japanese programmer. If you look at the cell phone marktet in Japan, you will know the importance of JAVA technology.
Now the diffusion of the cell phone is huge and more than US. NTT docomo has started to use the Java technology in thier cell phone. Many japanese electronic companies, such as Toshiba, Panasonic and Sony have deciede to use the Java technology in thier electronic items. Java is still growing in server side and embedded area!!! never dead.
Originally posted by John Mills:
Cell phones are not as popular in the US as they are in Japan.
Because of cultural differences, Java on cell phones will be in question. 3G wireless is still not popular at all. How many telecom company are making money? Will they be making money? Who would want to watch movies on small cell phone screen?
Originally posted by Ryan Senior:
One thing that we have to remember is that not everything that Microsoft makes capitolizes. Almost 3 times as many people use Apache over IIS. Microsoft didn't develop C or C++. The reason those languages hit it off so big is because they are so readily available. Of course they hit it off big because they're scalable and robust, but many languages have been robust and haven't made it anywhere. You can get C++ compilers for windows, Linux, Unix, free compilers, expensive compilers etc. If Microsoft creates a language, they will likely safeguard it against other companies wanting to create their own versions of it. That will be it's downfall. Take java, you can download JDK for free, you can buy Visual Cafe, JBuilder, you can download Forte. My guess is, if Microsoft follows their current pattern, they will make everything proprietary and that will spell out it's demise. I don't believe who ever spouted off that 95% of people use MS windows. Are you forgetting everyone who uses a Mac or who uses Linux?
Of course, I am from a more Open Source nature so my views are slightly tainted, but that's besides the point. Just because MS makes it, doesn't mean it's best. If MS makes a genuinely superior language and adheres to at least some of the openness that other languages have (such as C/C++, Java, Perl) then it very well may be in contention. But I believe that MS will cut off their own foot and make everything very closed and we'll just have a glorified Visual Basic on our hands.
As far as .Net goes, I'm not impressed. the government didn't let AT&T get away with domination and I have a feeling that they will do the same with MS.
My $.02 (probably a little more even)