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Darrin Smith
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Just wondering if anyone is using either of these IDEs and if so, how you like them.

If anyone has a comparison between the two then I'd really like to hear that as well.

Thanks.
 
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I have used Sun Studio Creator and I think it is a POS. It's based on Netbeans so it is sloowwwww and I personally just don't like being tied to proprietary solutions.

I use IntelliJ IDEA and the My Faces implementation of JSF. But that's just my preference.
 
Josh Juneau
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NetBeans can be slow, especially if you are dealing with a large java class. However, there are adjustments which can be made within the netbeans.conf file to ensure that your IDE runs smoothly...the available memory size can be changed. Just wanted to let you know in case you decide to give Studio Creator a try.


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Darrin Smith
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Thanks for the feedback.

I liked the thought of the Sun Studio Creator because it has Sun's backing, there are books written covering it, and it should integrate with Sun's app server well, but that is the second time that I have heard it was slow (maybe the adjustments would help this though).

The Eclipse4Web is appealing because I have a good bit of experience with Eclipse and it offers Hibernate and Spring integration (which will both most likely be used on the upcoming project). I have heard though that this plugin is "buggy".

It seems that a review of some sort would be in order but I haven't been able to find one.
 
Sergey Smirnov
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Just released Eclipse4Web version 1.0.2 has a support for MyFaces 1.0.8.

Sun Studio Creator and Eclipse4Web belong to different categories of software.
Sun Studio Creator is a visual tool. It provides the visual paradigm how to develop the web application. Actually, the major idea was creating the analog Microsoft Visual Basic, but for Java. It is very easy to use if you create small applications. It does not required too much knowledge about JSF to start working with it. Creator creates two-tiers applications. JSF itself holds the MVC (three tiers) paradigm.

Eclipse4Web is not a visual tools (At least, right now). You have to know JSF technology in order to work with it.

P.S. About "buggy": Almost all the reported bugs was about the recognizing the custom (struts) tags declared directly with tld file. in the JSF, the taglib is declared with URI="http://". So, it is aside problem for JSF.
 
Kerry Wilson
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Tried to use Sun Java Studio Creator, but it is incredibly slow, I only have 256 MB of RAM, but I read a review which said it was slow with 2GB. I have switched to Exadel JSF Studio on Eclipse, not visual but I figured it would be a good way to learn the framework until a good visual IDE came out.

However, if you do have a super computer, from what I dealt with SJSC was a pretty good app.
 
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JSF developers have MyEclipse ($32), JSF Studio ($495), Eclipse4Web ($49), WSAD, Sun Stuidio Creator ($99) as options now. But all these I find are not free of cost. Faces console is the only free one I found but didn't evaluate its features yet. Any comparison among performace between them, spcially on drag-and-drop support?
 
Sergey Smirnov
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Ashik, you definitely forgot to mention the price for WSAD in your post . Actually, speaking about JSF, it whould be better to mention WebSphere Studio Site Developer (WSSD). It is just $1000 vs. $4000 for WSAD, but you have all the benefits of the IBM software.
 
Josh Juneau
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FYI...
The other unmentioned IDE is Oracle's JDeveloper. It is an easy to use and well-built IDE, however, I believe it costs $1000 + . I have tried JDeveloper and stuck with NetBeans for the simple fact that I like to write my own code as opposed to having the IDE write it for me.

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Sergey Smirnov
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Just to be hohest, let's add to the list: Borland 2005 Developer ($500). "...JBuilder Developer includes innovative tools to get you off to a quick start with JavaServer´┐Ż Faces (JSF)..."

Personally, I prefer to write my own code also. It is one of the reason we pay a lot of attention to the features that help to perform hand coding easily in our products.
 
Darrin Smith
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Well I've been using Java Studio Creator for the past couple of weeks and just recntly bought it.

Yes, it is a bit slow but my gosh does it make using JSF easy to do . I cannot believe how productive you can be using this tool in comparison what I would have had to have done by hand . It's really amazing to me that Sun took this long to come up with it. Reminds me of using VC++ and VB with the drag and drop components.

Anyway, I just wanted to post my experience since I started the thread a while back. I suggest that you give JSC a try, and if you like it pick up Sun's Java Strudio Creator Field Guide. Talk about short learning curve!
 
Cedric Crowe
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I've tried out Studio Creator and was very impressed. It is very responsive on my computer 3.4GHz, 1GB RAM.

It it very easy to use and quite productive. The nice part is the latest version now supports remote servers, so I can easily deploy remotely to my Solaris server. At $99 it is very tempting.
 
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