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Java Studio Creator 2 -- VERY COOL!

 
Mike London
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Am I missing something or is Java Studio Creator the coolest product in a long time?

I've been a MyEclipse user and while MyEclipse is quite good, I was just COMPLETELY blown away by the flash presentation on Studio Creator. It seems too good to be true.

There's gotta be a catch, right?

Does anybody know when JSC 2 will be available? The early release says it's just so you can see where they're going and not to be used for production code.

WOW!

-- Mike
 
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Can you force JSC to use Tomcat instead of Sun App Server? And if so, how do you start JSC without Sun App Server starting up?

I'm willing to give JSC a chance if I can get around some proprietary issues.
 
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And what about being able to plugin in SpringDAO access to data instead of the built in JDBC RowSets and Cached ResultSets? No one really uses that in production do they? I mean, what about Hibernate? Can I easily hook hibernate or iBatis in to the data layer and not still be forced to hand code everything anyway? I mean, that's the point in using JSC, right?
 
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Hi Gregg,

Okay, I see your point. <s>

However, having just spent 3 days doing BASIC integration of Apache's MyFaces components into an application (no real support other than the email list, the source code *IS* the documentation), SOMETHING is needed to ease development for Java Web apps and have controls that approach .NET.

For the reasons you outlined, JSC may not be that tool, but with MyEclipse, for example, JSF is still a pain. Supposedly JSF Development will be improved with upcoming MyEclipse 4.1, but currently, you "drag and drop controls" (yeah, right), then you're bascially on your own in the code window. Not really GUI-ish at all.

Plus, in MyEclipse, there are currently only limited JSF controls. No MyFaces on the toolbar or help using any of it!

On the positive side, however (and there are a LOT of positive things about MyEclipse) MyEclipse has tremendous integration with all the app servers, Hibernate, Spring, and other technologies. Great debugger, even for JSPs, etc.

On a recent .NET project, it took me a couple days to figure out how .NET did things, and then I wrote a small (Web) application (with design patterns and real code!!) in just a couple weeks.

Java, IMHO, desperately needs something like a .NET environment where you're not forced to live in code or a VB-like GUI with the shortcomings that you outlined above in JSC.

You need a Web Service done in Java? Sure. Give me a few weeks and I'll get back to you... <g>

Thanks for your reply.

-- Mike
 
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Java, IMHO, desperately needs something like a .NET environment where you're not forced to live in code or a VB-like GUI with the shortcomings that you outlined above in JSC.

I agree.

My biggest gripe about JSC really is that Sun's point of view is they created a specification for JSF and they expect tools to popup that support that tool. Fine and dandy. So why then would Sun create this IDE that only supports Sun's crappy RI and API? You should at the very least be able to plug in another RI (like MyFaces or ADF) and keep coding. Even VS.NET lets you add custom controls to it's toolbox for drag and drop.
 
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